Seeking the Return of the Vicious Pass Rush
Published: Wed, December 3, 2008 - 3:40pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Kerry Rhodes, Dustin Keller, Calvin Pace, San Francisco 49ers, pass rush
12/03 — With apologies to Pete Seeger, where has all the pass rush gone, long time passing?
That was one of the songs reporters were singing today during the locker room media session before practice. Through 10 games the Jets' rejuvenated defense was among the NFL's sacking leaders, on an impressive 50-sack pace for the season.
Then came Tennessee (one sack of Kerry Collins) and Denver (no sacks of Jay Cutler). And as the Jets began their preparation for Shaun Hill and the 49ers today, one of the questions today was: Where's the heat?
Calvin Pace said it's not far away.
"We played these past two weeks two teams that have given up 18 sacks combined," Pace said. "We've been playing a little bit more coverage. I know I've been doing more covering than rushing. Obviously, that's not my decision, that's the game plan. Sometimes that happens. It's just based on how they see us matchup up, how they want to scheme things. Ideally, me personally, I'd like to rush a little bit more, but it's not a problem. Whatever's called, I'm willing to do."
Kerry Rhodes had some similar thoughts.
"We're always trying to attack what we think is best for our sake," the safety said. "Tennessee and Denver were better at [protection]. Pressure's going to be tough, but we're going to try to attack them."
Head coach Eric Mangini at today's news conference also mentioned the Broncos' and Titans' strong protection and said that despite the 49ers having the NFL's 32nd-ranked pass protection (based on pass plays per sack), it may not be as easy storming the Hill.
"Since they've transitioned quarterbacks, made some changes on the offensive line, and have been a little bit different in their approach, Hill's been sacked 11 times," Mangini said. "It's not a knock on anybody else, it's just he's done a nice job of moving in the pocket and generating some plays that probably weren't there or definitely weren't there in the past."
Numbers support the coach's assertion. J.T. O'Sullivan started San Fran's first eight games and was sacked 32 times, once every 7.9 dropbacks. Hill in the last four starts has been dropped every 13.6 dropbacks.
Fans of "sending the house" on pass plays aren't happy when the Jets don't blitz, but Mangini gave some concrete examples and theory about why the Green & White approach the pass rush the way they do.
"It was two years ago against Buffalo, we were bringing a lot of people and they hit Roscoe Parrish on a 2-yard route that turns into a 60-yard route," he said. "Philadelphia last year on the slant route that went forever [from Donovan McNabb to Kevin Curtis], that was a blitz.
"Whenever you blitz, you take that chance if they hit a screen, they hit a slant. You're isolated, you're one-on-one, so if you slip and you don't have proper leverage. It's risk/reward. Sometimes that's really effective and you generate some positive plays defensively. The flip side, if you rush three, now the guy has a lot of time.
"You want to keep spinning the dial and bring three, bring four, bring five, bring max. Show three, bring max. Show max, bring three. And let them figure it out."
That combination was unlocking multiple pathways to the QB the first 10 games. And it will again, said Pace.
"It's not that we're just getting blocked up. We've been in coverage a little bit more," the LB said. "I envision the numbers picking back up."
Keller's Hidden Yardage
Many have been lauding the contributions of rookie TE Dustin Keller to the Jets offense. And truly the receiving stats the past four games have been through the roof: 27 receptions for 313 yards, 20 first downs, 10 third-down conversions.
But Keller's also contributing by inducing officials to throw their yellow laundry at the guys trying to defend him. With a 19-yard pass interference call on Broncos LB Jamie Winborn on Sunday, DK has now drawn eight penalties on opponents for 62 yards and eight first downs.
"It's not really something that we're emphasizing," Keller told me today, "but you kind of want to put the defender in the position where either he gives up the catch or he gets a hold of you or grabs you to try to stop you."
Keller may be doing that better than any other tight end in franchise history. My records don't go back to Mickey Shuler, Jerome Barkum, Rich Caster and Pete Lammons, but since 1995 no tight end and very few wide receivers have induced penalties at Keller's clip. Here are the top four at forcing defenders into committing no-nos (*has four games remaining):
| Season | Receiver | Pens. | Yards |
| 2000 | WR Wayne Chrebet | 12 | 119 |
| 1999 | WR Keyshawn Johnson | 9 | 104 |
| 1998 | WR Wayne Chrebet | 9 | 93 |
| 2008 | TE Dustin Keller | 8 | 62 |
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (51)Ira Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 4:18pm EDT"And with Keller i thought that was one of Mr T's best picks. He was outstanding all summer and you can just see he was going to be a special player. And the reason for the penalties is simple. LB's are too slow so they grab and CB's are to small so they grab. Thats called a major mismatch problem for opposing DC's. He might pass JM's 58 catches in 94 which was the most since Shuler's 70 in 88."
jak, 18 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 4:19pm EDT"hey randy to qoute\sing another pete seeger song...turn..turn..turnovers. this d was forcing alot earlier .and ive a feeling the floodgates will reopen and a hard rains gonna fall ,in sf,and seattle."
Nick Troop Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 4:40pm EDT"While I see what Mangini is saying and agree. I've been a Jets fan my whole life and cant even count the number of games in which Ive seen the Jets blow a lead by shifting away from an pass-rush and defensive press in favor of a weak prevent cushion. I've been confident thus far, but I hope coach doesn't lose his aggressive mindset and resort to prevent coverage. It just doesnt seem to work"
Anonymous Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 4:54pm EDT"the sad thing is how many of us fans know who pete seeger is? if i had a pass rush.. i'd sack them in the morning, i'd sack them in the evening, all over the field.. ok i am walking away from the computer now. but i do hope they find the pass rush on the west coast. "
Christopher Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 5:02pm EDT"There is no doubt that there is a risk/reward when using the blitz, but come on, how many times do we drop back into coverage only to get beat anyway. That alone should be a sign to change things up. when you don't blitz you make it easy on the QB calling the blocks, you don't make them think as much. We all know that when you think instead of react that mistakes happen, take advantage of that."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 5:44pm EDT"I understand not wanting to get burned also, it is risk/reward, we may give up a TD or big gain on a screen but we might get it back on a strip sack, forced throw/pick 6 & at least we'll be rattling the QB's cage a little, force him into bad decisions even when he's not getting hit he'll think he's about to. We need to take it to these weaker teams, up the physical ante a bit."
frank Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 5:50pm EDT"Patriots blitz OLB's all the time, wasn't Mangini, Belichick's DC. Why did the pass on Rodgers-Cromartie, Flacco, Mayo, Rivers, and the many other promising rookies? Is Gholston even on the team. Wasn't pass rushing there biggest concern in the offseason. Don't put him as a lineman anymore on 3rd and long and if you do let him stand there to prevent draws and screens. He hasn't touched a QB."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 5:52pm EDT"Love Keller & the clutch catches he's been making, but I can't stand that stupid "first down signal " he constantly does. I was happy to see him holster it while we we're losing big to Denver. I wonder if anyone said cool it to him. I don't mind small individual displays of emotion, but save it for the really big game changing plays. For the record I didn't like Leon punching the ball either."
scjoe Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 7:51pm EDT"I am not a big fan of an all out blitz, I do think that the Jets can afford to mix it in more often then they have though. I did think earlier in the season that they would be getting more of a pass rush from the front seven, that hasn't happened of late though.So, how about a little more Gholston and Murrell?"
Drew Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:09pm EDT"I believe that the way we are using K Rhodes has been a major reason why we have been getting burnt by the TE and our pass rush has fell off. Rhodes should be covering the TE letting the OLB rush the passer. I know Elam struggles in coverage (something his supporters forget) but Rhodes cannot keep doubling over the top. Let Revis man up and let Elam help on Law/Lowery. Let Pace and BT go again "
Drew Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:18pm EDT"I loved the Keller pick when most were yelling for a big WR like J Hardy or D Thomas who have done nothing this year. Keller is basically running 3 short routes that defenders cant cover. As soon as they start cheating on him he will run the seam for TD's. Just a great pic which has offset the slow developing Gholsten. Not a great sign when Mangini is frustrated with his play on Sunday either. "
sal Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:42pm EDT"this is what i dont understand, in the games where there has been no pressure(usually a loss) they dont even show pressure and not bring it, they show coverage, even if you dont want to rush, show pressure or something, keep them guessing, dont show your in coverage d"
Joe Willie Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 10:23pm EDT"It disturbs me, it discourages me, it disgusts me that Mangini actually does not believe that QB pressure is the key to success. If history has shown anything it is NO QB can succeed under fierce rush (see last SB). Our stats have proven his policy. to quit pressure cause opponents are "good at protection" in order to cover with mismatched linemen is a TOTAL disaster. 1000 yards in 3 games!!!"
STEVEN Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:18pm EDT"Afraid to tackle, afraid to blitz, afraid to jam wide receivers at the line, afraid to rush for a first down, afraid to take the ball away means the same old jets another day. Wah duh Wah, here comes pennington to take it away"
Patrick from PA Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:34pm EDT"You cant just sit back and allow teams to chip away at you all the way down the field. In my opinion that is worse than allowing a big play because the D is on the field longer and most cases they score points on us anyway. I understand his fear of the big play but he only had two examples of that backfiring and both were created by missed tackles. The pros far outweigh the cons. Bring the heat!"
jet jeff Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:53pm EDT"I disagree totally with mangini and that is a bad philosophy to go by , send more and take your chances, he named two times over almost 3 years , I can name over hundreds where sitting back caused tons of yardage, tons of points , in this football age where you cannot touch receivers , you have to pressure QB at all costs, pressure, pressure & pressure , GOT IT COACHES YOU CAN THANK ME LATER "
walter Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 12:08am EDT"I say let revis and law do what their best at...covering the recievers and lets get some pass rush.put this guy on his back and lets get some sacks. GO JETS"
NorCalJet Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 12:24am EDT"No longer focused on last week's loss. Moving forward @ 8-4 is pretty good. I will be @ the game in SF, 3rd row, sporttin a C-Mart jersey. Been waiting a long time to see the Jets(not in Oakland) in SF. Lifelong Jets fan born and raised in the Raider/49er Nation. Can't wait to see Hill on his back and the offense get back on track. J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets!!!!!"
Row Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 12:37am EDT"Honestly, I have not seen anything from Keller that warrants much of any praise. He's been force fed into the offense with the expense of pass blocking and run blocking. #86 deserves an applause. I would rather have a solid 1st or 2nd round corner than an average receiving TE who is taken out during runs. Keller vs Denver=targeted 13 times, 7 receptions. Ira, the CB's had no footing, not too slow."
Carlito7 Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 1:06am EDT"Here's a unconventional idea, don't go into these game with a predisposition of what you can and can not do. Now I’m not saying not too have a game plan, but try everything and what works keep doing it and not, get it out of there. Stop giving these teams so much credit for actions and plays they have yet to perform. Remember Mangini and Sutton " scared money don't make money""
BIG"L" Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 6:19am EDT"I totally agree w/ drew,keep them guessing what ever it takes-coachem -up,we have all da tools to D-LINEM!Play calling on "D" is so critical nowwe cant afford to make-any mistakes now. As far as da offense goes were still in check,we got out played last week,their will be a little "REDEMPTION" in california i tell-u, So califonia here we come! GO JETS GO-----------------------"
Frank Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 7:01am EDT"Drew you can't be serious. You put Rhodes on the TE then who is going to cover the receivers over the top? Elam is a disaster the guy is about as fast as a fully loaded 18 wheeler. The pass defense has gotten significantly worse since he has become the starter. During the sack exchange years our secondary stunk also you just prayed the QB was going to get sacked before he found the open receiver."
Frank Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 7:09am EDT"Drew our pass rush isn't off because of the way we use Rhodes. It's off because Mangini isn't blitzing and creating pressure. Look at the games we played well defensively we played a pressure defense. It is idiotic to have Pace and Thomas dropping into pass coverage rush them or substitute them. Mangini is playing defense scared and you don't stay employed or win football games that way."
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 10:28am EDT" Mangini is going to do whatever Mangini wants to do. is that helping the jets ??or is is trying to find the answer aproach something the jets owners can afford the time is now if ever there was a time, and it looks bleek seems were under more pressure then our division rivals i dont get that but with that said RANDY if Mangini gets knocked outof the playoffs will he be up for review to be fired"
Randy Lange Said:
"And why do you think I'd be able to answer that question, JETFOREAL?"
JR Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:06am EDT"Randy..just watched Bret's news conf from wed. This "team" and it is a "team" has so much to learn from this veteran. It takes time people, lets stop and remember where we have come from in 1 season. Bret (and i know you will never see this ) stick with it...you are a gunslinger and you do what you do and very well. Look at the overall and not the single mistakes....fire away my friend...JETS! ! "
sal Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:13am EDT"Again who is out there, keep changin coaches, see how much we improve, unless its parcells, who bailed, you cant keep changin coaches. we could of got stuck w/ norv. another thing, why is this loss seem worse than the Pats loss, Pace and Ellis need to protect the secondary, Execution wasnt there, lets see Sundays effort "
sal Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:17am EDT"PS Watch the reply if u can, Calvin looked like he was running on marbles, tryin to cover the Tight end, too funny, not so funny he couldnt get off to tackle either"
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:19am EDT"being an insider i guess, i wondered if you heard through any grapevines being around the players coaching owners just a thought , and just my opinion but coaches as if he is not worried about being up for review, really i was just wondering thats all, but if you dont know or cant answer if you did i still respect that as well"
Randy Lange Said:
"I don't know and I can't answer, JETFOREAL. We report on the good stories happening with the Jets, try not to sugarcoat it when things aren't going well, and don't comment on matters such as injuries, the depth chart and hypotheticals. I'll answer the questions from you all that I can, but if I can't answer a question, I won't."
JETLAW Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:27am EDT"Long time JET fan! I'm honestly on the edge of falling off the band wagon due to my frustration with Mangini. His Philosophy on why they are not bringing the pressure is ridiculous! Put the guy's who can tackle in the game and bring it! What's killing us more the "2 yd route that turns into the 60 yd route" or the 400+ yard passing games!? It's becoming a joke. The 'D' has talent! Use it! "
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:48am EDT"Obviously on plays where the jets are blitzing you want to jam recievers on the line. This takes them out of short dump off passes. As far as the screen that is easily handled by the right "spy "defender. You can't bring the house on every play. But look at what the giants do, it looks like they are blitzing on almost every play. The jets have got talent on defense. Let's use it !!!"
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:59am EDT"We've got to the point where ,we are willing to roll the dice a little. You think that Eli Manning pass to Tyree was planned. Sometimes you got to take chances. The jets have got to take some crazy chances on defense. Its worth the risk. Especially if we get a lead early . TIME TO TEE OFF!!!"
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 12:10pm EDT"Pass coverage. Why not drop into the nickel prevent ? You know why .The strongest defense is a powerfull offense.You ring a quarterbacks bell early he'll remember it the rest of the game. Now is not the time to play conservative or scared . WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE A SHOT AT THE VINCE LOMBARDI NOW ."
sal Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 1:15pm EDT"Randy, maybe u can clear this up for me> when does a team loose a injury time out. seemed to me Denver should have owed time outs, Dre Bly admitting to stayin down, so D could get set. DRE CANT KEEP U W/ A 40 YEAR OLD MAN?"
Randy Lange Said:
"sal, this is from the NFL Digest of Rules: "A team cannot buy an excess timeout for a penalty. However, a fourth timeout is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth timeout or more is allowed for an injury and a 5-yard penalty is assessed.""
sal Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 2:18pm EDT"I think they did that 35 yr vet Im w/ you, Cothery dropped one, the ply by ply guys said it got knock out, it was liked the fumble it squirted out on Cotch. the deep Int. to LC, LC just coundnt get there, dony forget the wide outs dont have break away speed, they got to work to get free"
MikeMc Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 2:52pm EDT"Jetfor Real? Get real , Mangini is 8-4 right now & things are coming together & you want him "up for review " & replace him with what? Chances are he will get knocked out of the playoffs all but one team will, & we clearly aren't the best team YET.Enjoy the season, & if you want to root for a team that never loses try the Globetrotters."
Drew Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 3:07pm EDT"Frank...it's the same defense that NE plays. Harrison helped over the top...he is just as slow as Elam plus A Thomas and Vrabel drop into coverage also so our LB are not getting subbed out....I'm not saying Rhodes needs to cover the TE every play but we dont need him playing over the top every play of every game. Rhodes is wasted playing the way he is now"
Drew Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 3:17pm EDT"Row?? I am a little confused by your Keller post. All the kid does it catch the ball and make first downs. I dont know the stats but I would bet 80% of his catches go for 1st downs and probably 100% on 3rd down (Randy any help here) hes a matchup problem for any team that defends him (the penalties prove that) Plus our run and pass blocking has not suffered and he destroyed NE!! Why so sour??"
Randy Lange Said:
"Drew, Dustin Keller has 40 receptions this season, with 28 of them going for first downs (70 percent). On third and fourth downs, Keller has had 24 passes thrown to him and caught 14, all 14 for first downs and two for touchdowns."
Ray Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 3:26pm EDT"Row it is clear you don't like Keller, but your on the verge of ridiculous. He is exactly what this team drafted him for. If he's in there it isn't to do any blocking it is to cause coverage matchup problems, which #86 doesn't do. Baker is a nice TE but he would not have made half the plays Keller already has. If we need a block we'll use Baker if we need a first down we're gonna see Keller."
sal Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 3:28pm EDT"The 49ers were the trap game i was worried about, they got it out of thier system againt Denver. For all the Mangini haters, maybe we should get Romeo, or maybe fossil, hey Auburn just fired there coach. Get it, teams usually hire coaches that got fired somewhere else. Magini is doing fine for a young coach"
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 4:09pm EDT"thats great 8-4 glad your happy with it and last l checked my question was to Randy . thats the problem in here with you jets generals you love to chime in on other peoples thoughts or questions, dont worry about who i cheer for worry about your own questions or keep posting your opinions i dont respond to the crap you write nor do i care what you write or think. a question thats all it was "
Tom Spicer Worlds Biggest Jet Fan Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 4:21pm EDT"Frank, I could not agree more. Row, I could not disagree more Keller is a stud "
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 7:38pm EDT"i would'nt go romeo but i would take mike tomlin or hell even mike mc carthy keep in mind i am not a hater just not satisfied cant speak for everyone but seems to alot of us are unhappy but 22-22 or 500 or par 8-4 for the young guy makes some of you go gaga thats great . hopefuly he grows up to be a fine coach but right now we dont have room for his growing pains. but thats what were stuck with"
Drew Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 7:46pm EDT"Row...Please read Randy's reply to my post to you. It says it all. Not only has he become Favre's favorite target he is money when it counts......I dont know how you dont throw him any praise. "
runningeasy Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 11:57pm EDT"Row, you must be crazy! If I remember correctly Keller was responsible for 7 first downs (4 first down catches and 3 drawn interference calls) in the NE game and he has been consistent since. Mangini started him out slow, but as he becomes more comfortable with the "speed of the NFL", and as the players (especially Favre) have become more comfortable with him his role is becoming more important"
runningeasy Said:
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 8:36am EDT"Randy, thanks for writing about the "Keller's hidden yardage". I think it's been critical to the team this year and if it continues it's going to be bigger story as the season continues. It seems likely that it's the mismatches that are allowing this to happen. If this is true it leads to all kinds of good things for the team."
Frank Said:
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 8:41am EDT"Drew come on your smarter than that. Your comparisons run dry because our pass defense is significantly worse. Pace is a huge liability out there."
Anthony Said:
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 10:05am EDT"First we need to attack with a blitz hard this weekend. We run a 3-4 so we still have some coverage in the back. And with Ty Law, Darrelle Revis , Dwight Lowery, Kerry Rhodes we can get picks. But keep the pressure on the QB and play the flats on and off because Screen passes kill us sometimes. This week means a lot give them everything you got and prove the Jet "Haters" Wrong. "
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 1:04pm EDT"Jetfor real, if you post here you may be subject to criticism, if your thin skin can't handle it write Randy a letter next time."
Mike Said:
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 5:49pm EDT"Randy please tell us all why they don't move Gholston around on passing situations. Its not like they have another stud pass rusher out playing him. Why can't they go 3 down lineman, and either bring Pace or Gholston from the outside on either side. Prevent is obviously not working. They are paying him alot of money to run down the field on ST."
greg Said:
Sat, December 6, 2008 - 9:41am EDT"The reason is Gholston while gifted is not a instinctual player but is gifted physically. Watching him he is always just missing plays and has not had any quick read and react nose to the ball plays. Think about Vilma, Harris, Abraham, even Ellis, when they were first out they had there ups and downs but by now you should have a handful of great Gholston plays or at least see it in bursts. "
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Ira Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 4:07pm EDT"Randy, About the lack of a pass rush the past few games it even goes back to the Pats game. And i understand Eric's concern about getting burnt. But you must have a nice mix of both coverage and blitz in a gameplan and take chances also. On Curtis's TD the blitz didn't get there but E. Smith i believe also missed on the tackle which would've kept it to a short gain."
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