Mangini on Consistency, Coaching Points
Published: Mon, December 1, 2008 - 5:24pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, tight ends, Benjamin Watson, Tony Gonzalez, Denver Broncos, message boards, Bo Scaife
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12/01 — Eric Mangini opened his news conference today, less than a day after the Jets' 34-17 home loss to Denver, with a mea culpa.
"I really don't feel much differently than I felt after the game," the Jets head coach said. "None of the three phases played the way they're capable of playing. Obviously I need to do a better job of coaching."
That led Jane McManus of the Journal News to ask Mangini what specifically he might have done differently during the game or during the week before the game.
"I think anytime you go out and don't perform as you can, there are things we need to do and to get corrected," he said. "During the course of the week it could've been more consistent. That's really a function of what I have to do, make sure it's as consistent as possible."
McManus followed up by asking about anything he might've wanted to do differently in the game. Mangini offered two examples.
"I think on the reverse play with Brad [Smith], I probably would've changed the ballhandling and made it an underhanded pitch instead of an overhanded pitch. That would've softened it a little bit," he said. "I didn't feel like the conditions made that exchange impossible. I thought it was very reasonable. But I think [a softened pitch] could've helped that.
"On the fourth-and-1 play, I liked the concept of going with big people to hard-sell the play action. We really felt like the safety would suck up and we had a chance for a big play to Chris [Baker]," Mangini said. When the safety didn't come up, he said there was a problem with the design for the outlet on that play.
"We had an outlet. I just don't think it was as good as it could've possibly been so Brett had a better opportunity to get a first down. That part of the play didn't work. So those were two things."
Besides self-scouting, Mangini was asked about official scouting, specifically of the ruling on the Jerricho Cotchery fumble of that first-quarter pitch from Smith. After J-Co appeared to get possession of the ball, rookie LB Wesley Woodyard hit him hard, jarring the ball loose for safety Vernon Fox to pick it up and return it for the game's first score. He said this was a play the Jets would be talking with the league about, as they and all teams do with officials' calls every week.
"Yeah, that's definitely one we'll want some more clarity on," he said, "in terms of what the coaching point is going forward, how should you attack defensively in terms of a player lying on the ground."
Mangini wasn't as sure about talking to the league about the Denver injury situation in the second half.
"Player safety is a priority and I respect that," he said of asking the NFL to review the matter. "It's individuals. It's hard. I don't know how you would be able to get clarity on that."
But the coach has had clarity for a long time on how to improve the Jets, which is why he was more direct in his remarks about the loss to the Broncos after the game and again today.
"Usually, losses don't make me happy," he said. "When you've set the bar high in terms of your preparation, your consistency and your execution, you want to see that same consistent level. That's what your expectation is, and when that's not met, to me that's a different type of loss.
"To me it's about consistency, the way we approach practice and preparation for each opponent, each game. I thought we'd done a really, really god job with that. To me, you set the bar, you meet the bar, you exceed the bar. Each game of the season, you should be getting better at that. You're either getting a significant gap, or you're letting that gap decline, or someone's getting an edge on you."
Tight Spots
Mangini was asked by the Star-Ledger's Dave Hutchinson about opposing teams' success using their tight ends against the Jets defense this season.
"Most of the teams we've played, their tight ends have been heavily involved in the offense," the coach said, then referring respectively to Tony Gonzalez, Benjamin Watson and Bo Scaife, he said, "Kansas City, he's heavily involved ... New England, he's heavily involved ... Tennessee, he's heavily involved.
"A good receiving tight end or multiple good receiving tight ends, they can create problems. Usually the coverage is on your safeties and linebackers. Play action comes into that because then you can sell the runs more. I don't think it's necessarily unique to one team. We're trying to involve our tight ends as well."
Indeed, rookie Dustin Keller continues to impress. In his last four games he has 27 receptions for 313 yards, 20 going for first downs, 10 converting third downs and one moving the chains on fourth down.
Whatever the reason for this wrinkle in Denver's game plan, the tandem of Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler continued the success of the tights vs. the Jets this season. Graham and Scheffler combined for 13 receptions and 149 yards. If that sounds like a lot, that's because it is. It's the most catches by the opponents' TE position in a game since 1996. And the last time a team had more TE receiving yardage vs. the Jets was in the second game of '96, when the Colts' Ken Dilger caught seven passes for 156 yards.
Here are the three games this season when the opponents' tight ends caught at least 10 passes:
| Week | Opp. | Tight Ends | Recs.-Yds.-TDs |
| 1 | at MIA | Anthony Fasano, David Martin | 12-137-2 |
| 8 | vs. KC | Tony Gonzalez, Brad Cottam | 10-113-1 |
| 13 | vs. DEN | Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler | 13-149-0 |
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Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (44)Jeremy Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:09pm EDT"Coach Callahan, T. Rich & TJ deserve an apology from Shotty & Mangini. The RZ playcalling is ridiculous and appalling, not to mention the 3 & short and 4 & short playcalling. Run the football. I really just don't understand the coaching staff anymore. Losses to SD, OAK & DEN--are you serious! This coaching staff is a joke. Mangini shows no emotion and no heart! Pass D is embarrassing, why SUTTON?"
Ziggy Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:25pm EDT"I agree with Wayne the Jets do not have an identity. We need someone to compliment Darelle and this needs to be fixed soon or else we will not go anywhere. Also why are we having problems in the RED Zone come on 4th and 1 we need to play like winners not like its a fluke that we are leading.JETS lets shake off this loss and carry this thing home as if we want it .JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:30pm EDT"one thing mangini sticks with is consitantly blowing games.and he finally owned up to having to do a better job at coaching. i not upset the jets lost its how they lost, this team has so much potential but it needs someone like a cowher or a parcells a no nonsense coach some one who gets emotional in your face and takes control of the team500 dont cut it in the NFL and thats what we are or are we?"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:42pm EDT"Your right Wayne there is only one winner in this sport thats why its important to enjoy each game as a 3 hour vacation, unpredictable and exciting. Chances are we'll be one of the 31 losers again but that doesn't mean we can't hope & root for victory. Mangini has us going in the right direction & if we can get an invite to the dance consistently one year we may be winners. Go Jets !!"
Dominic Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:42pm EDT"With key injuries right now the Jets are suffering trying to stop the pass to many large gaps wich leads me to believe that they should sign newly retired Safety John Lynch, his awareness would trully be an asset to that injured defense, he would help the absense of David Harris and Eric Smith and help the rest of the team plus you know he could still play because Belichick was going sign him."
jak, 18 wk jet fan Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:44pm EDT"Eric Mangini your doing alright .take all the advice everyone and their grandma ,give [unsolicited ] to you and use what u like.i critic some strategies this jets team does ,but i dont have an nfl team .eric you got there ,your the coach ,8-4 looks pretty good to 22 other nfl coaches of lesser record .so chin up . i see progress."
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:53pm EDT"off subject but has been chapping my butt all day 1 loss in 5weeks and the haters (the press) fans have a right to be bent but the haters all go from giving the jets praise to calling them fake overrated etc. it gets my goat i hope the jets prove them wrong so these naysayers can make excuses .and the jets can get that monkey off there back. does mangini get the hot seat if the jets dont make it??"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 8:01pm EDT"Mangini and staff are a real dicotomy on one hand they sure are consistant in a stubborn bang your head against the wall type consistancy by forcing the same package and play calling when it clearly isn't working. On the other hand to paraphrase my favorite Mangini mantra they are consistantly inconsistant in their "body of work"."
Jet fan Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 8:20pm EDT"Need better play calling. Jones played one of the ebst games of his career.. 3rd and one in teh rain we didnt trust him with the ball n same on fourth down.. we beat ourselves. RED ZONE WAS DISGUISTING!! need to turn it around.. we lost to oakland n turned it around won 5.. we can turn this season around were still in playoff position just need to come out n play like everygame is a playoff game!"
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 8:30pm EDT"just watched trent difer,whose opinion is dead on alot,say that the jets defense played soft and not aggresively. pointed out the 3 man pass rush and basically pointed the finger at the coaches. its weird 1 week hes coach of the week the next hes a goat. i guess thats the ups and downs of a young coach, guess we just gotta deal with it uh?"
Ira Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 9:28pm EDT"It sounds like Eric is still burning up inside from yesterdays performance. Thats good and maybe they will get more focused on the task before them so they can finish strong. The TE coverage has been bad all year. They must come up with an answer this week. There is too much talent on this team for them to continue getting burned by the pass."
Ken Wheeta Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 9:45pm EDT"We're sticking with Marty Lyon's comments and not jumping ship just over one game. Hey guys, remember the pain of the loss and win out from here. JANUARY, here we come! GO JETS!"
Nic Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 10:24pm EDT"Denver out played us in all aspects and it's not like we lost to the Lions or some team like that. Randy, I'm disappointed about Klecko not making the Hall again. Why do you think former Jets get no respect? I know Gastineau would've been a first ballot Hall of Famer if he didn't have so many legal problems after he retired. But it seems like the Hall voters just don't like former Jets players."
Randy Lange Said:
"Nic, I don't know the reasons that Joe Klecko was turned aside so far from getting "in the room" the day before the Super Bowl. All we can do is pick up the cause again next year."
Jets Fan Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 12:31am EDT"I think Wayne should just be a fan for his own team and stop posting on Jets forums. The Jets have a good chance to make it to the playoffs, and this year like every other year, is all it takes to make it to the super bowl."
Will Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 1:50am EDT"Consistency has been something that has never been seriously addressed, you just never know what Jets team will show up from week to week, and its clear that Mr. Mangini is 100% accountable for it. He needs to go into a 4th quarter mentality mode on all four-quarters of the game and not just when they are up or down by 14. Coach, shouldn't take this season for granged just because you were....."
bleedinggreen Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 4:05am EDT"wayne i totaly disagree with you...im not sure if your a fan or not but to say these guys got lucky against NE is just plain dumb..They dominated both sides of the ball that game and the only reason why they came back cuz our prevent was to much ..if anybody got lucky it was that throw to moss in the endzone with 8 secs left. and they dominated TEnn..those drop passes werent going nowhere.good try"
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 7:16am EDT"Yeh,one game and alot of people are running Coughlin,I mean Mangini out of town!This game was needed to weed out the fake fans.The bus has made its last stop so you people can get off now.Next stop SuperBowl."
Ira Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 7:28am EDT"Very happy to read this morning that Eric is still ticked off. He needs to keep that attitude all week and make sure the team has a chip on their shoulder for this week and the remaining games for the season. winning these next 4 games won't come easy but if the focus and play with a sense of urgency they can do it. GO JETS!!!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 9:19am EDT"Randy, What is the story with David Harris he has already missed 5 games I thought he would have been back already."
Randy Lange Said:
"I have no story on David Harris for you yet this week, Tom. I think the Jets are being very careful with Harris to make sure that when he comes back, he stays back. I suspect we'll find out a little more Wednesday."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 9:24am EDT"I am actually standing right now and giving Mangini a "Standing O" for finally accepting blame for a loss. He is definitely maturing as the NYJ HC! Maybe the players will stand up for him and win on the west coast this week."
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 9:35am EDT"The 49ers will not be easy.The Defense looks like they want to play.Singletary might be just what they needed,at least for now until his speeches get old,but not a good time to be playing them.Gotta smack them in the mouth early,can't give them any hope.Can we please see what Clowney has.They have a good TE too.Better shut him down,I hate 4 O'clock games,usually buzzing before kickoff!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 10:48am EDT"the phrase smack them in the mouth early, what does that mean? it means nothing to a fighter or a champion the jets need to be able to get smacked in the mouth like they did sunday and get over it and smack back thats what fighters do thats what champions do the jets did nothing when they got smacked@home so if the 49rs come out smacking do the jetshave what it takes to wipe there lip and hit back"
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 10:54am EDT"i hope they do because these games ahead are going to get tougher so this is where they show there character as players as men who are hungry no one is laying down to the jets thats obvious i dont wanna here trap talks thats garbage either you can win games or you cant wk 14 still finding themselves i dont buy that ,the coaches need to be consistant n there game plan going foward butwhat do i know"
MikeMc Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 11:21am EDT"Uncle Joe the TE has been killing us. I think The Jets now realize they need to prepare & play hard to win. No game will be easy but if we play up to our talent level no game should be hard either. Lets keep that SB bus in the garage & worry about the SF bus first."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 11:24am EDT"Ray ...The players are at fault have you read any of my Posts or just want to ack like a fool over them ? Talk about conherent ,,time to check your pulse my man .. Have another tidbit for you have you noticed C - Baker has dropped every pass thrown his way since coming off injury what s that's all about .. Thinking some tissues might help don't you ?"
Jake Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 11:33am EDT"Hey Randy whoever updates the jets roster needs to put brandon renkart on the practice squad"
Randy Lange Said:
"Jake, thanks for the heads-up. For some reason Brandon was not on the Website practice squad roster, but we're updating today."
scjoe Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 12:02pm EDT"After watching Hills (FB) run the way he did, and watching Brandon Jacobs do it every week, I still wonder why we keep TWO PKs on the roster and not bring up Caulkrick from the practice squad. Does anyone agree with me that he would be a better roster selection then that 2nd PK?"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 12:33pm EDT"No more super bowl talk no more bye talk JUST WIN A GAME ! win out thats it there is nothing else to do but win out. TAKE CARE OF YOUR GAMES & EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL INTO PLACE WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY."
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 12:52pm EDT"The beauty of having Character guys will prevail here.I really don't think Guys like Farve,Jenkins,Ellis,T.Richardson,Coles,WASHINGTON will let this game ruin what we have here.The Raider loss was a needed God send that sparked this team.The Denver loss is just part of the story.It stops all the SB talk and regains focus.You need these stories for a storybook season."
steven Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 1:00pm EDT"Jets are afraid to tackle. Jets are afraid to jam wide receivers at the line. Jets are afraid to blitz, Jets are afraid to dominate like the Giants. Jets are afraid to take it instead of receive it. Jets are afraid to be called "wall street defense." Jets are afraid to FOCUS on turnovers. Jets are afraid to watch the video "miracle" because they might have to get in shape to carry a team vision"
steven Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 1:06pm EDT"Gholston, get off your rump and be a man. If I had your tools and your money I'd make history. I'm 53 years old and If I was working out in your state of the art facility, I'd be trying to knock your head off just to stir you up so you can live up to your potential. Pick em up and knock em down. Go ahead make my Christmas. Make me afraid of you. I'm mad at you. I expect you to dominate now"
Randy Lange Said:
"Nothing new on David Clowney yet this week, Brian."
Ray Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 1:59pm EDT"I'm sorry mike ex, did you make a comment that didn't involve the coaches being at fault? When? Quote one for me so I can congratulate you. As for CB what is your point? How will tissues help him catch passes? I don't think anyone "reads" your posts ex, I think they decipher them as best they can. My pulse is strong and steady thanks for asking buddy!!"
Ray Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 2:03pm EDT"Hey now Randy, your not a prude! LOL"
Steve Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 2:22pm EDT"Yeah ScJoe I agree with giving Caulcrick a shot, been saying it for a few weeks now, guess the coaches dont need our suggestions unless he has some glaring weakness I think we need a big strong backto compliment TJ and LW. Also we need more speed at LB and DB that will have to wait though have to go with what we have right now. GO JETS !!!!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 2:50pm EDT"whats with all this wheres CLOWNEY who care its week 14 he aint making the difference coles cotchery keller etc there doing it clowney give it a rest already the question should be wheres mangini when is he ganna coach randy can you please tell me the status on when mangini is coming back lol just kiddin randy i think i made my point"
Randy Lange Said:
"And a fair point it was, JETFOREAL."
johnnie boy Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 4:34pm EDT"Coach Mangini needs to be more aggressive on defense. He has the personell to pressure the quarterback. The Jets let Cutler throw without any pressure and instead dropped into coverage. Cutler killed them while Shannahan (the better coach Sunday) pressured Favre. Hope you read this Coach M."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 5:39pm EDT"Ray.. Guess you read minds to go along with all the many other talents you have ... If no1 is reading my posts you seem to be answering them fast & furious .. You can't be that easy lol..... Stop hurts me to see you try so hard 2 look foolish "
fljetfan Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 10:12am EDT"interesting fact in that marty shot. always struggled with shanahan teams and now we go and lose to this guy with his kid callin plays for us. coincidence? i dont know, but it certainly wasnt a well coached game. "
Sam Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:13pm EDT"You get the usual quotes from MANGINI; we need to play better; Mangini needs to coach better. I am TIRED of the SAME quotes from Mangini when they lose. How many times r u going to say we need to play better, Mangini needs to coach better? WHEN r the jets ACTUALLY going to **(CONSISTENTLY)** play & COACH better? & MANGINI was a DB coach, the JETS secondary should b a SHUT DOWN secondarby now!"
Ray Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:58pm EDT"The difference between me an you mike ex jet new fish fan, is that I answer your posts on point. If you make a comment, my reply is directed back to that comment. Since you have no valid response, your reply is either a total change of direction or simply calling me names. I can't read your posts, do you think I would even try to read your mind? No thanks! "
35 year fan Said:
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 5:18pm EDT"How about jamming some recievers on the line? It takes away the QB's timing. How about consistantly calling a ss blitz. We need some linebackers pressuring, we need d. ends getting threw. This is the time of year where defense wins championships. Forget about the old boxing footage .The jets should watch some old film of gastineau , klecko, and lyons. We need to start tearing it up ! "
Row Said:
Thu, December 4, 2008 - 12:48am EDT"If Eric was upset, why didn't he show it on the field? We can't jam a receiver on the line because we don't have much safety help. Jets would have to drop to cover one with Kerry in behind and Elam at FS. LB's are having to cover which ruins a pass rush. We have traded or disgruntled all of our players with emotion on this team and it's showing! I miss #51. Watch us trade Harris next! Go Jets"
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Wayne Said:
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 6:33pm EDT"There's only on winner in this sport. The way it's looking this team, again is not it. They got lucky against N.E. and Titans TEs/WRs took the game off. They make backups like Cassel/Thigpen look like world beaters. They may win four more games, but unless they fix that gaping hole in that pass defense...and that wildcat offense, coach? It's not working for you. Team has no identity. Coaches lost"
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