'You Can't Get Too Caught Up' in the Analysis
Published: Wed, November 19, 2008 - 4:19pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Darrelle Revis, Eric Mangini, Nick Mangold, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Jehuu Caulcrick
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11/19 — OK, everyone here who thought the Jets and Titans would be a combined 17-3, occupying two of the four first-place spots in the AFC and heading into a key conference showdown in Week 12, raise your hands.
One, two, three ... not that many.
Jets head coach Eric Mangini wasn't saying what he thought back in September, but restating his philosophy that we're so familiar with, we shouldn't be surprised that Jets-Titans is a big game in the NFL's Sunday universe, or that so many pro football "experts" got it wrong.
"At the beginning of the season a lot of things are said. In the middle of the season a lot of things are said," Mangini said at today's news conference. "It plays out the way it plays out. You appreciate all of the analysis and things like that, but it doesn't affect the day‑to‑day operation. You can't get too caught up in it."
By not getting caught up in it themselves, the Jets are flying above the pack, in sole possession of first place since winning the division on the final regular-season weekend in 2002, or, if you prefer an in-season perspective, since they were 7-3 after 10 weeks of the '01 season. And while Mangini said the Jets' approach doesn't change this week no matter their perch in the division, it sure beats the alternative.
"I believe in the consistency of, win or lose, the process that you have to go through, what's not working and what can you improve on," he said. "It's very easy when you win, or when you're in first place, or any of those scenarios, to brush over those things, or to not put the same level of scrutiny on those things. That's something that we spend a lot of time on is, win or lose, to have the same exact critical eye to try to improve the next game.
"I think any time you're winning," he added with a smile, "it's always more fun to come to work and jump out of bed. It is, trust me."
The Jets have a chance to improve to 8-3 or better after 11 games for only the sixth time in franchise history, but to do so, they have to get by the team with the best record in the league. Mangini restated a few of the reasons the Titans have been so tough in their 10 wins this season, among them:
■ They lead the NFL in turnover margin at plus-10 — "That tends to be a defining statistic," the coach said.
■ They've outscored opponents in their second halves, 127-54, for a plus-72 point margin that, as we pointed out Monday, is the best second-half margin in the league. "It just shows, one, their ability to finish games, and two, their conditioning, their discipline and things like that," Mangini said.
■ They lead the NFL in rushing touchdowns (16), have given up the fewest sacks (6) and have allowed the fewest points per game (13.1),
But just like the Mangini philosophy doesn't worry about projecting winners before Game 1, it doesn't worry about the "impossible" task over knocking over an undefeated team on the road.
"I think any team is inherently beatable. You see that week in and week out," he said. "The one thing that you do see is consistency from them. They don't beat themselves. They do a lot of really, really good things and a lot of sound things. They're going to put pressure on you and try to force you into a mistake. You have to be able to weather that storm, and then in turn put pressure on them to try to force mistakes."
Sounds simple. And sounds like another great challenge for the Green & White just ahead.
More Awards
Leon Washington was named the AFC's Special Teams Player of the Week, not a surprise after he set the franchise record with his fourth career kickoff-return touchdown and averaged 44.3 yards on four returns at New England.
The Jets have won 19 conference STPOW awards since 1993, but this is only the fourth for a Green & White kickoff returner. The other three were Aaron Glenn in 1998, Kevin Williams in 2000 and Chad Morton after the 2002 opener at Buffalo. Justin Miller also won the AFC Special Teams Player of the Month as a KOR in October 2006. This is Washington's first league weekly honor.
This award is independent of the three sponsored league awards that fans can vote on that we mentioned Tuesday: TE Dustin Keller for Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week, LB Eric Barton for GMC Sierra Defensive Player of the Week and Eric Mangini for Motorola Coach of the Week.
And for those keeping score at home, here are Mangini's weekly post-victory player awards: Offense — C Nick Mangold. Defense — CB Darrelle Revis. Special Teams — Brad Smith. Practice Player of the Week — RB Jehuu Caulcrick.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (55)jak, 16 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 4:53pm EDT"randy at the beginning of the sn having been told the jets 07 record,i bet to my nephew who had just told me favre went to ny, that the jets would finish with no less than 9 wins. ive almost won that bet.at mid sn. i knew what 4 could do .but rest of team has been a great surprise. GOOD JOB JETS."
Frank Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:03pm EDT"Actually the Titans should be more worried about facing the Jets than vice versa. They played 2 tough games the Ravens and the Colts neither is a power house or as strong offensively as we are. Defensively they have an advantage with their pass defense but this team can be run on and that should be the game plan. Ball control and a heavy dose of play action and mis-direction pass and run plays."
fljetfan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:04pm EDT"we need to keep BF upright this week. if we can do that as hot as he is i like our chances. so to me in starts up front in this game. our O against their stout D. it aint gonna be easy.. i think 23 points wins the game hands down. its up to the big fatties, hopefully there up to it."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:08pm EDT" AS I watch tapes on the jets games this year I knocked D-Brick a lot .. He has improved somewhat also knocked Fanaca he hasn't.. Hes giving away to many sacks for the money & reason why we got him we .. If he don't improve this week big Farnsy is going to kill him & Favre.. I would put Turner over there to help out if not trouble for us .. I Know they will have him over Fanaca watch & see"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:20pm EDT"Man Adam schein ...This guy is really getting my goat Ask him who the better player we match up with be it Jenkins-- Favre --leon or team we play always the other guy or team .. Getting ready to run him out of town .. Why doesn't he go to Buffalo or tennessee announce over there.. wHO'S WITH ME"
supercooljetfan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 7:07pm EDT"mikejetvet i know what your sayin about schein but its funny how custer and lucas rip him apart when hes wrong...also i love when custer and lucas do that voice everytime they say leon washington and dwight lowery's names it never gets old "
supercooljetfan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 7:10pm EDT"i think thomas jones is gonna surprise the titans defense with 100 plus and at least 1 td this week...he's gonna be our key to victory...maybe a couple trick plays involving brad smith wont hurt either "
BIG AL Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 7:47pm EDT"Mike Vet Jet dont let those bums get ya there are alot of JET HATERS i dont know why either but Old Rouge hooked us up with a great article i left the article website in BIANCAS POST GET IT CHECK IT OUT and you will GET PUMPED UP i liked that he was fair to both teams in matchups and fair and balanced in his anaylisis not to mention he gives the JETS the edge forget adam his croe is waitingGOJETS"
jak, 16 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:07pm EDT"BIG AL ..thanks for website in biancas post"
jak, 16 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:33pm EDT"i hope none of jets players read this post . and despite what most people r saying about this game. i think the jets will win big against tennessee . "
Howard Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:38pm EDT"watching titans jags on nfln replay, this team is tough but i believe we have what it takes to win will sure be a hard game.we certainly have to run the ball, but i think passing on first down out of reg formations not shot gun early will be smart,LETS GO WIN A GAME"
Chris from Westchester Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:21pm EDT"I thought the pass defence was our soft underbelly, but after watching the three run and out 2nd half offense and the 12 yard soft middle for and entire half that almost cost us the biggest game of the year or years, I changed my mind. You can't coach not to lose for a whole 2nd half no matter how you have dominated in the first half. COACH TO WIN!"
sal Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:25pm EDT"Jets need to put a spankin on Tennesee, to shut some of the experts up, Do in the throwbacks, "
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:25pm EDT"Drew, are you related to Mangini ?"
fljetfan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:34pm EDT"just watched the titans on replay. they made a few plays but overall unimpressed i dont know how howard cross and pasquale see this game as a walk for the titans. i personally didnt see much. 10-0 is nice but i think the J.E.T.S. are a better team right now from what i watched tonight"
Peyton Waukesha, WI Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:40pm EDT"I agree, keep BF on his feet, alot of play action, no penalties, no turnovers,short quick passes, and take an early lead. If we can 3 and out the Titans on their 1st 4 possessions that will put them on their heels. Jamming the Titans receivers at the line of scrimage will force Collins into making bad passes. BTW - I voted Jets,Jets,Jets. Jets win 31-17. GO JETS, YOU can DO IT!"
Anonymous Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:58pm EDT"HEY RANDY WHATS THE STATUS OF CLOWNEY?I THINK HE WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET SO WE CAN STRETCH THE FEILD A LITTLE BETTER!"
Dan Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:58pm EDT"I like Schein. Although I am surprised he didnt rip the Jets defense a little more this week. We are winning with personnel, not coaching. Mangini is okay...but there are too many DE's playing LB. Pace, Brian Thomas, Bowens...these guys are great run stoppers and pass rushers, but they cant cover WR's!!! We've been seeing this since last year...all of the dwindling leads!!! The O looks good."
Luke Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 10:54pm EDT"I am predicting the jets beat the titans..not jsut because im a jet fan, i truly believe they can pull this one out...the titans arent an explosive passing team and thats what kills the jets...however the titans are a great running team and that is the jets best aspect...i see both teams getting around 100 yds rushing and the jets beating them in the passing game to win the game by about 10 points"
Drew Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 10:54pm EDT"This is a huge week for B-Schott. He has gotten out of the doghouse a little recently. He needs to call and design plays to trick this overagressive Titans defense. I am all for smashing them in the mouth but misdirection might be key here. Lets keep this rolling... Is there any better matchup than both teams Center/DT matchup? My moneys with Mangold and the beast K Jenkins!!"
walter Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 11:19pm EDT"ok jets fans so here we go.....i was a total nail biter when we were getting ready for NE but now im so confident with the titans game.I mean look at what we did to win because we wanted it that bad.jenkins will get at least two sacks and law will get a pick.we can do this.......just focus on the fact that we are gonna win.Too many people told me that we would never get by the pats but now what?"
BigEd Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 12:46am EDT"That's exactly what we want consistency of process everyweek, win or lose. I believe the team is underrated by the pundits. They've got as much talent as anyone even more so and great veteran experience. I think win/loss each week is dependent on effectiveness of the game plan and the ability to make in game adjustments. What do you think Randy?"
Randy Lange Said:
"I think you've made some great points, BigEd."
Alan Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 1:48am EDT"Hey Supercool, I wish they would let Brad throw one or two passes sometime, just to keep opposing defenses thinking when he lines up behind center. As it stands, everyone knows he is going to run when he comes in. One pass would open up those runs for him."
Row Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 2:38am EDT"I think this game will be close, and we will get behind early. I see us prevailing in the end Jets 27- Titans 17. We need to defer on the kickoff so we can come out in the second half scoring points. Forget about everything, force Collins to pass. If we can eliminate the big run, we should win this one. I see a dominant second half after a trial and error offensive struggle in the first. "
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:06am EDT"We have to beat the Tiatns this week but it sure would be nice if the Bengals could upset the Steelers to start of the weekend. Mr. T made the o-line and front 7 bigger and stronger for games just like this with the Titans. The Jets need to go out with a nasty edge and smack the Titans around which is a tall task. can they do it?Sure they can. This game is a good measuring stick.GO JETS!!!!"
Drew Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:29am EDT"No relation Spicer..Were both Italian but I think thats the only ties we have. I just think he has done a good job for this team. I think people forget how bad Herm left us. I know we had talent but our cap was a mess and we had just lost C Martin. Tangini came in and gave us a fun 2006 and has rebounded from last year to give us 7-3 so far. Not bad is you ask me. Are you related to Mcfadden?"
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:10am EDT"The Jets have rushed for an avg of 144 yds per game over the past 4 games. They have also avg 32 carries in each of those games. If they can keep to that and not turnover the ball the will be 8-3 come Sunday Night. Play HARD,SMART AND TOUGH. GO JETS!!!!!"
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:54am EDT"We can beat the Titans, fewer mistakes, contain Johnson, we have corners good enough hold those recievers down, leaving them with L.White to shoulder the load. Offensively we have to attack them. Its not impossible to score on them, but you have to score in those key moments & thats what they have been able to prevent all year. Oh, By the Way....No prevent Defense this time around."
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:57am EDT"Mike Jet Vet....Fanaca is the reason why Brick is this good this year, I say thatafter watching each game countless times. Fanaca made a bunch of key blocks this season. and if you notice most of the sacks have come from Damien Woody's side of the line. No knock on woody, he's cool."
Johnny Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 9:04am EDT"NYJ will beat Tennessee this weekend, mark my words! They need be full throttle for four quarters, not just the first half. If the Jets play football, they can't be stopped! Jenkins will be the deciding factor here, we need to stuff their run game and make Kerry Collins throw down the field. He will not throw towards Revis, as he is "shutdown" and we can double the other side with Rhodes!"
Ed in Tucson Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 9:16am EDT"Hey Ira, where can I find a breakdown of how many of those carries/yards were between the tackles & how many outside? Maybe Randy can help out."
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 9:18am EDT"Drew, Don't worry about Schotty this week. He has been able to call 2 good games vs the Titans the last 2 years and they moved the ball very well in both games. I expect the same or better with a win this week."
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 9:38am EDT"Drew, I disagree with you about Herm He didn't leave us in bad shape. 05 was a disaster with QB's and many others getting hurt. He did make the playoffs 3 out of 5 years. Eric took over and did a great job going 10-6 and making the playoffs. And he is headed there again this year. Eric has a bright future ahead of him. Herm will be lucky to keep his job this year."
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 9:54am EDT"ED, Thats a question better suited for Randy. But there are some sites like Stats.com that will show that. Just off the top of my head i would say more of those runs were between the tackles. TJ has been able to bounce outside or cutback on many of those runs. I will take a guess and say 6 out of 10 runs are between the tackles."
BIG AL Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 10:13am EDT"i like the matchup both teams tight but the NYJ HAVE THE EDGE despite the the titans record the edge as i stated is BRETT FAVRE and JONES we can break down there D-Line the coaches are doing a great job with #4 keeping him from throwing picks will keep this game to our advantage if they can do it again sunday our O-line just needs to keep protecting him our D speakes for themselves my pred-27-24NY"
GIG AL Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 10:31am EDT"the 4th qtr will be key back to matchups the ones i look foward to are JENKINS & MAWAE i think jenkins needs to stay fresh in the 4th and FANECA will have his hands full with HAYNESWORTH the 7x faneca needs to come to work that day also cant let the titans run the no huddle it killed the D in NE we need to stop the run keep KELLER activeW/MANGOLD &AND CO. making holes for JONES NYJ pulls the upset"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 11:50am EDT"I will say this you can talk about all the stats in the world... This game will be decided by the team with the least mistakes better execution blocks tackles etc..... Another words who ever really truly wants it more ...Coaching will be the biggest single factor here"
Mike Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 12:10pm EDT"Randy, has anyone ever told you that you look like Mike D'Antoni LETS GO JETS"
Randy Lange Said:
"A hundred pounds ago, Mike, but thanks."
Anthony Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 1:14pm EDT"This is the weekend...This is the time when the Jets have to buckle down and not lose sight of what is ahead . Give this team everything you got. Size and strength does not matter when you show heart. Heart wins games , digging deep down to get what you don't have left like the Patriot game. Lets go Green....Show the Titans why we are the REAL TITANS and continue making us proud....J-E-T-S"
steven Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 1:42pm EDT"Hey, if we can get Gholston in there as a secret weapon the titans won't be prepared for that. "
Jeremy Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 3:16pm EDT"If the JETS coaching staff gets beat in the second half like last week, and most of the season for that matter-it's going to be really tough to get a W. Key is definetly controlling the line of scrimmage-Mangold has got to keep Haynesworth in check and get help from Faneca/Moore. T. Rich needs to spring TJ & Leon and Favre needs to produce those long 10+play drives that end in 7!"
BIG AL Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 3:58pm EDT"if you look at tenn schedule the tougher teams lost by close games losing in the 4th qtr as i said earlier the JETS have to stay strong ing the 4th and i think the 10days between playing the titans should help the jets tenn played a rough one last sunday against jags and won it in the 4th JETS will win if they play 60min of football the AFC could be theres with the win not to mention 1st round by"
sal Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 4:01pm EDT"Cross and the short guy been off alot this season fountains of misinformation, youll have more coeheirent sports talk aat the Blarneystone @ 10;00pm"
Joe Wille Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 4:17pm EDT"Frank, Dan's comment stuck a cord w/me. I'm at a loss as to why we have lb's (270lb d-ends really) chasing receivers in constant mismatch. It never works and is an blatant misuse of physical skills. Parcells used them to rush QB. Do you understand this concept or agree with it? I believe it is why the center of the field is always wide open. Watching Pace 5 yds behind receivers really burns me up."
Ira Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 4:31pm EDT"Randy, Nice story about Revis and Law. Amazing that they both come from the same town. And not a knock on Lowery but he has hit the rookie wall. He can only learn and get better by sharing reps and playing next to Law."
blaksmith86 Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 4:43pm EDT"i think tha jets can win this game, if favre plays how he has been playing the last 4 weeks, and giving thomas jones tha ball,leon comes through on special teams, we will be fine. tha pass defense really needs to tighten up, in tha second half of games, and ten has a great ground game but tha jets havent allowed a back in tha end zone since tha arizona game, this is our season lets go J-E-T-S"
Steve Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 6:17pm EDT"Good to hear Caulcrick is doing a good job on practice squad. Would love to see Mangini give him a shot on game day..give us a little change of pace in running game.Never hurts to have a big strong runner to compliment TJ and LW and grind up yards and clock ala G-Men."
Drew Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:39pm EDT"Ira...I was talking more in terms of our cap situation after Herm than talented players we had. Mr T did a great job getting this team under the cap. "
Frank Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:53pm EDT"Joe Willie I have commented repeatedly that is our achilles heal. That is why I suggested we need to get a lead early and hopefully go to our dime defense. The one thing I don't agree with is Pace and the others are not chasing WR's they can't even cover the TE or backs coming out of the backfield. Mangini made a calculated decision to stop the run first and foremost sacrificing the passing game.."
Frank Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:03pm EDT"..hoping the pass rush will cover the blemish. The result is our defensive performance has been uneven and we give up alot of yards. Personally I'd like to see more of a 4 man front on passing downs with Mosely and Jenkins in the middle rotating Ellis, Bowens and Pace. By the way the 4 man rush in the 4th Qtr. vs. the Pats was very effective."
Ed in Tucson Said:
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:38pm EDT"This game will be decided by special teams and field position. Our strength neutralizes theirs & vice versa, the running game. Our pass D is vulnerable but our weapons in passing game makes the passing game pretty much a push. If Westhoff's wild men play like they have the past couple weeks, we've got the edge on STs. If Schotty learns to play ball control, we'll kick some Tennessee tush. Go Jets!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Fri, November 21, 2008 - 1:07pm EDT"Drew, no relation to McFadden I thought he was the best player coming out & I thought T Jones was done. We just signed Faneca & Woody so I didnt want Long we had Thomas & just signed Pace so I didnt want Long or Gholston so I thought he would be the way to go. But looking at how bad our pass D is mabye we should have taken a corner back we will see"
ben Said:
Fri, November 21, 2008 - 11:19pm EDT"Randy , do you think the Jets having 10 days off will help them or hurt them?"
Randy Lange Said:
"ben, I'll be doing a Saturday blog on the subject that will be posted around 1 p.m."
Rick Roucoulet Said:
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:49pm EDT"Of course the JETS gotta draw 1st blood & stay fast & aggressive but for some reason they are the same old JETS when it comes to the 2nd 1/2 & finishing a game. & with these Titans that outscore their opponents in the 2nd 1/2 by 127-54, I sure hope these JETS & Mangini can keep the speed & fire going after 1/2 time-I have faith in ALL positions, its just if they can keep it up??? GO JETS"
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Ira Said:
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 4:37pm EDT"randy, I had the Jets at 11-5 after they signed Favre. The Titans i didn't think they would be a playoff team at all. I thought Young was going backwards. Who knew Collins would take over and Johnson would be that good. The Titans are a tough task but i think if the Jets play a smart and clean game they will win. K.Williams was an amazing story after all he went through.Hope he is doing well."
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