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09/30 — Eric Mangini revealed the Jets' bye week practice schedule, which will have the players practicing today and Wednesday, then taking off until Monday.
"Today we'll work on first and second down, tomorrow will be more of a third-down emphasis," the coach said at today's morning news conference. "Then the guys get a break and come back Monday, when there'll be a red area/goal line emphasis."
Mangini said he set the week's schedule up like this, similar to last year's bye sked but slightly different from the bye his first year as coach, to achieve two objectives.
"One is to improve," he said. "The second is to be able to take some time to get away from football, recharge your batteries, then come back in here for the remainder of the season. That's why I like to have these days strung together for the players, to have a chance to reload and come back recharged."
It's well-known how well the Jets have done after the bye in Mangini's first two seasons — arguably the two greatest victories of his tenure came after the 2006 bye at New England and after the '07 bye vs. Pittsburgh. What isn't known yet is how well they'll do now that the bye comes in Week 5 instead of Week 9 or 10 and how they'll fare vs. a team with a losing record (Bengals) as opposed to teams with winning marks such as the Patriots and Steelers.
Bye weeks have been in existence since 1990, one per season except for '93, when there were two. The Jets' all-time record in games before byes is 10-10, while their record after byes is 10-9. Here's how the Jets have fared since 2000 and their records before and after the bye each season (home teams in CAPS):
| Year | Pre-Bye Final Score | Post-Bye Final Score | Bef | Aft |
| 2000 | Jets 21, BUCCANEERS 17 | Steelers 20, JETS 3 | 4-0 | 5-7 |
| 2001 | Jets 24, DOLPHINS 0 | Patriots 17, JETS 16 | 7-3 | 3-3 |
| 2002 | Chiefs 29, JETS 25 | JETS 20, Vikings 7 | 1-4 | 8-3 |
| 2003 | Cowboys 17, JETS 6 | JETS 30, Bills 3 | 0-4 | 6-6 |
| 2004 | Jets 34, CHARGERS 28 | Jets 17, DOLPHINS 9 | 2-0 | 8-6 |
| 2005 | FALCONS 27, Jets 14 | Chargers 31, JETS 26 | 2-5 | 2-7 |
| 2006 | BROWNS 20, Jets 13 | Jets 17, PATRIOTS 14 | 4-4 | 6-2 |
| 2007 | Redskins 23, JETS 20, OT | JETS 19, Steelers 16 | 1-8 | 3-4 |
| 2008 | JETS 56, Cardinals 35 | 2-2 |
Asked about Eric Smith's suspension and fine for his hit on Anquan Boldin late in Sunday's game, Mangini repeated the sentiment expressed in a team statement released last night: "It's really a league decision. I definitely support the commissioner's initiative to protect the players and do everything possible for player safety. I'll just reiterate that Eric Smith is a good player and a good person. He would never do anything intentionally to harm anybody else."
And regarding two injured players, K Mike Nugent (thigh) and WR David Clowney (shoulder), the coach said "they're both making significant strides" that will have them "involved in some degree either this week or next week." And the important element for both is not to suffer a setback as they're "working to get over the hump."
VG OK on KR
Vernon Gholston was this week’s recipient of head coach Eric Mangini’s special teams player of the week award. Gholston was in on tackles on three consecutive second-quarter kickoff returns, and another to start the third quarter.
“Coach said he was surprised,” he told our Tim Carlson. “But I wasn’t. I knew I did a good job, getting three tackles on kickoffs in a row.”
“Having four tackles, it was a really positive day for him,” said Mangini.
Renkart Returns
Brandon Renkart, the former Rutgers linebacker, has returned to the practice squad, taking the opening created when WR Paul Raymond was released from the P-squad on Tuesday.
Three Up for Weekly NFL Awards
Hey, Jets fans, let's get out the vote. We have three Jets who are finalists for weekly awards distributed by the NFL following their performances in the 56-35 triumph over the Cardinals.
QB Brett Favre is line for the FedEx Air NFL Player of the Week award, not surprising due to his career-best and franchise-record-tying six touchdown passes.
The other finalists for the "Air" portion of the Air & Ground awards are Saints QB Drew Brees and Redskins QB Jason Campbell.
Fans can vote for Favre or the other QB of their choice on NFL.com/FedEx through Friday at 11 a.m. ET.
CB Darrelle Revis is one of the five finalists for this week's GMC Sierra Defensive Player of the Week award for his two picks, the first of which he took 32 yards for the game's second touchdown and the first of his career.
The other finalists are Saints DT Charles Grant, Titans DT Albert Haynesworth, Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson and Buccaneers LB Barrett Ruud.
Fans can vote for Revis or the player of their choice on NFL.com/gmc up through Thursday at 4 p.m.
And TE Dustin Keller is in the field of finalists for Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week honors after catching Favre's sixth TD pass, a 24-yarder, the second TD of his young career.
Besides Keller, the finalists include Chiefs CB Brandon Flowers, Redskins S Chris Horton, Titans RB Chris Johnson and Texans RB Steve Slaton.
Fans can vote for Keller et al. on NFL.com/rookies or by using phones with Sprint wireless service (texting the word PEPSI to short code 7777) through Friday noon.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (96)Dunnie Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 2:16pm EDT"Last post for the BYE .... 1. Fix the running game (Jones should be averaging 5.0 with this line). 2. Fix the coverage D , both linebackers and secondary. 3. Fix 3rd down defense. 4. Get Gholston on track. Then I will be happy. Oh yeah .. and Favre ... kick everyone's behind until it happens. "
Die Hard Jets Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 2:18pm EDT"Randy can you please tell me why NFL.com still has Brett in his old Packers jersey on the voting profile and not in his Jets uniform??? You need to tell them his Broadway Brett now NOT the Packer cheesehead. That is an insult to all us Jet fans"
Ken Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 2:45pm EDT"Mangni mentioned last yr he & the coaches had to get better at making ADJUSTMENTS. The JETS have problems making adjustments! This is y the Jets CONSISTENTLY do WORST in the 2ND half of the game. Guys look at the statistics. EVERY game the JETS played since MANGINI has been coach. The JETS always do WORST in the 2ND half of the game. ERIC & his coachs need to get BETTER with 2ND half ADJUSTMENTS"
Lisa Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 3:42pm EDT"Eric Smith is a highly underrated safety for the Jets. The suspension and fine are a joke; anyone watching the replay can see that his tackle was aimed at Boldin's chest. The only reason the helmets clashed was because Boldin got pushed from behind. Look again, media."
Hogan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 3:52pm EDT"Those who say we have no D. I would point you to the fact we are 5th against the run. And Harris is quietly tied for 10th most tackles in the league."
Andrew in Tucson Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:01pm EDT"I think if the Jets play like this the rest of the season they will be in great shape. Tighten up the second half defense and that is about it! Looking forward to the rest of the season to see what they can do. 2-2 puts them in great shape just need to take care of business. I was so worried before the cards came to town 1-3- would have been very bad.GO! JETS!"
dcpackerfan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:09pm EDT"I believe that Brett won this four times last year, but he should win again. The Packer organization made a big point of emphasizing these awards and Pack fans are rabid anyway. They should definitely change his uniform on the post! What an insult to the Jets!"
Row Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:39pm EDT"I really don't feel like it's the adjustment factor, we just seem to pass a lot more in the first half. If we get behind, it carries into the second half when players begin to break down. Our secondary must be quicker to the ball. We need a S like Elam to come in on short or intermediate passes and jar the ball loose. I miss Steve Atwater, and #27 is still on our team, USE HIM! Bring back Miller!"
mike Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:57pm EDT"This game was so encouraging and deflating at the same time. Yes, our offense scored 56 points at the expense of 6 td passes by favre. This proved to other teams if you throw the ball against the jets, your going to score td's. Hey, randy what looked wrong in the defensive coverage last sunday? Is there issues that must be resolved in the secondary or is Arizona's passing attack that good?"
Randy Lange Said:
"mike, there are issues that must be resolved in the secondary and Arizona's passing attack is that good."
Pranit Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:02pm EDT"DEFENSE....can't be ranked 28th & 24th on points given up and total yards allowed (some stat like that)....come on manginig, you are a defense specialist....I know i am jumping the gun, but when would Gholston be declared a bust? (or would he & mangini continue to use the "late to practise", "he's swimming with the volume of info" for life. "
Pranit Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:04pm EDT"BTW, i loved the offense and the offensive calling this week...i loved the 4th & 1 call (long TD to Jerricho)......Sutton also needs to come up with imaginative defensive schemes (some of them against arizona were good). "
Bob Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:18pm EDT"Good Game. Coach, Mr Farve - please help the Defense - The offense needs to manage the game better. The Jets have only 1 game (Miami) so far this season, that the Offense was on the field longer that the Defense. Please run/screen pass - what ever you need to do to keep the Def off the field and the clock ticking. Look at the Redskins (week 4) Offense 38min verse the Dallas 22 min."
Damone Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:32pm EDT"I hear what you're saying Row.I would have liked to see Abe play at safety but Mangini obviuosly saw something he didn't like.IF we had J.Mill and Clowney back, we would be that much better!! "
danny boy Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:47pm EDT"i wanna see fine tuning the play action, but especially the screen pass., & when it's called. Tom Landry used it mostly on third down, & worked right, it gets Leon the ball more. Brad Smith should be used more as a " slash " player, & i like Miller, but Lowery is looking real good, especially for a rook ! i'd also welcome alot of movement on defense to disguise & confuse."
Joe Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:03pm EDT"Eric Smiths hit should not be illegal. The receiver was hit in the back and started to lean forward changing the angle on Eric's hit. Eric could not change his angle or direction to advoid the hit. If he hit him 1st then I would agree with the NFL decision."
patrick leibel Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:21pm EDT"Hey Bob the jets tried to manage the game against the pats and they managed to get a big fat loss. Against the Bolts they were down from the get-go so game management was out of the question and as for last game how are they supposed to run the clock down while receiving the ball in Cards territory after all the turnovers or the defence scoring for them? I hate game management, it's unentertaining"
RICK Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:23pm EDT"HEY PEOPLE, I DONT USUALLY SAY MUCH BUT IVE BEEN READING BLOGS TO SEE IF ANYONE AGREES WITH MY OPINION OF THE JETS PASS DEFENSE. I THINK WE NEED TO PART WAYS WITH DREW COLEMAN, HE'S NOT STRONG ENOUGH AND WHENEVER HE'S PLAYED IN THE NICKEL OR DIME PACKAGE, HE IS THE ONE THAT GETS EXPOSED! DOES ANYONE AGREE?"
kimosabe Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:32pm EDT"it was a GOOD win...the def. needs a little tweaking..."
supercooljetfan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:46pm EDT"great too here chatman coming back and clowney getting better just 2 more weapons to add to the arsenal but most of all to see coles and farve getting on the same page i bet after last game coles dosent even remember chads last name. oh by the way JENKINS DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!!!!"
Pete Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:51pm EDT"Wow, what a game. How are all the Favre haters doing now? Please keep in mind without Favre our offense is still awful, he is the difference. As I said before, O will be fine with Favre. Defense is still shaky. Jenkins is a STUD, better pick up than I had first realized. Smith suspension is a blessing. Lowery would be great if we could find a 2nd corner. Play Elam and stop the run finally. "
mike ex jet fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:14pm EDT"Mikey MC .... Like I explained to u once be4.I wasn't born with a sliver spoon IN my mouth or my nose in the air . Helped support 5 sibling at a very young age Wasn't afforded the literary skills you possess...Sure you wouldn't understand .. Must be very lonely in mikey Mc land "
Ira Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:45pm EDT"Sounds like we might see a Nugent return for the Bengals game. Overall i think the bye week came at a perfect time considering they signed Favre 5 weeks before the opener. And the D will work on their game and i expect them to come out strong like in the past since Eric has been coach. I know you take 1 game at a time but they need to be 5-2 headed up to Buffalo. GO JETS!!!!"
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:52pm EDT"So where are all the Mangini defenders? Swallow your keyboard? Favre should sit down with Woody and demand a raise since coach and motivator were added to his job description. His motivational ploys last week in the lockerroom including smiling, jokes, practical jokes and prep talks are what helped the team this week. Mangini should take note and learn something the little Bill routine don't work"
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:07pm EDT"Oh before I forget that great stud Pace is not even in the top 50 in tackles. Meanwhile our best former defender Vilma is 4th in the league for NO. Even Erik Coleman has more tackles than Pace! Disgusting! I am sick and tired everytime they are at the goal line how disorganized they are. I am also sick and tired of the apologists around here Mangini better find a way to fix the defense it's awful."
TonyC Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:09pm EDT"The D will only get better. The 2nd half of Cards game the blitzers were usually hitting Warner as he threw or were in his face, that split second made the difference. I think VG will have a breakout year (next year) much like Mario Williams did with the Texans"
Donna Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:12pm EDT"I have been so excited since the win. The mark of a true champ is to get back in and do it again...win/lose....keeps going. The love of the game is reflected in the actions shown. This was an inspiring game!!!! Sore ankle and all.... We are waiting here in WI to see if Aaron Rodgers will play. He had one of the best examples to model after for 3 years. I am rooting for the Jets!!!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:49pm EDT"I wonder where are all the Favre haters now it got really quiet all of a sudden I think I hear crickets. What happened to all of the I would rather have Chad or the guys from Green Bay with there well we have Rodgers YOU TAKE RODGERS & HIS 3 INT'S I WILL TAKE FAVRE'S 6 TDS "
Ira Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:01pm EDT"The things i want to see improve is #1 the running game. They rank 28th now. That can't stay that way with Favre as your QB and the investment in the o-line. #2 is the kicking game and i hope Nugent gets back and Hodges works out. And #3 is improve the pass defense. "
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:21pm EDT"Frank?? I think you're spending too much time hunting and not enough time actually watching and understaning football. Why would Calvin Pace have as many tackles as a starting 4-3 MLB as Vilma?? He is an 3-4 OLB. His job is to rush the passer not make a ton of tackles as a MLB or even a SS like Coleman Go check your list and tell me how many OLB are in the top 50?? Dont bother the answer is zero"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:22pm EDT"Frank I agree totally our goal line D stinks .. Pass coverage stunk... pass rush in the 1st half was excellent what happened in the second ? that's why we rank low in the statistics I'm guessing the crew will have the answers can't wait 2 hear them ..... FARVE WON THE GAME without him we lose so Sutton & mangini still have a lot of work 2 do......3 negatives 1 positive on D ...equals F"
jet80 Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:26pm EDT" Now that Favre is gettin comfortable with all receivers not just Cotch its looking in the right direction in the O.The o line depth scares me every game,their not that great as it is with that supposed super beef they put into it.Maybe they skip their campells chunky before each game.And d wise they should lose Coleman and Carroll free it up for Miller, Elam.Does any body know if Jenkins is ok?"
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:27pm EDT"To further educate my friend Frank....you might want to check the sack leaders and check how many MLB's or DB's are in the top 50. Again dont bother because the answer is "1." AJ Hawk..... Outside LBS and DL sack the QB. ILB's and DB's make more tackles. Why does this need to be explained to you? It appears that your silly knock at Pace's tackle total is another reach. Stick to hunting Frank!"
TJMGold Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:32pm EDT"Great game. The passing defense needs work. And Feely should be closely monitored in these next few games. Let's see how many TDs the Jets get on the Bengals at home. I hear they may be in those high-scoring uniforms again."
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:35pm EDT"Frank....I like when you post . Most of the time it is fun to agrue with you but the last couple of posts have been so ridiculous I am starting to get worried we might have lost you. The Mangini killing, Whisenhunt praising, defense knocking ,not to mention the absurd attempt to minimize Calvin Pace is just silly. Keep your head up bud. ..........Is it bow season yet? "
Terry Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:38pm EDT"I suggest the Jets offensive coordinator use the two tight end set with Baker and Keller or Franks and Keller. it will create havoc for the opposing team. The defensive needs to play better. Championships are won by having an outstanding defense. Allow Brett to move around. I congratulate the offensive line. Leon and Thomas must touch the ball with running, screens and quick passes. Terry "
Pa Jets fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:42pm EDT"Hey Frank, Don't forget we brought Pace in to get to the quarter back. He has 2.5 sacks, Vilma still has none. We have a top five run defense so there are plenty of bodies up front making tackles. Focus needs to be on pressure and coverage. Hey Randy, any stats on whether its short yardage passes or down the field plays that are killing us? It seems like we bite on the screen every time."
Randy Lange Said:
"The Cards thrived on the intermediate, underneath routes, Pa Jets fan, but to be honest I am still digging out from the San Diego game, not to mention Arizona. However, next week I plan to file a report on Jets' and opponents' YAC and other elements of the passing game, so I'll keep your question in mind."
Neel Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:56pm EDT"I think that for the 2 week break we have to mainly focus on the run game and pass defence. We have to allow Tj and leon to run more during games, it can realy open up the pass. We need to see Tj with 25-30 carries and Leon with 10-15 carries. Chatman can get 3 carries if neccisary. The pass D has to work on the short cut routes. Revis and Lowery have been great but out LB coverage has to improve."
GarrettM Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:29pm EDT"Eric smiths suspension is a joke. It was still a game the way they were making two minute drills all day so hitting boldin hard enough to make him drop it was exactly what he needed to do. how was he supposed to know rhodes was gonna make contact and push boldin. if smith hit him 1-1 it would of been right in his numbers. looks like the nfl is tight on cash. 50k is a lil harsh if u ask me."
jet80 Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 12:04am EDT"After watchin this hit over and over again i look to see Smith fight his fine and suspension.Rhodes gave a helmet hit too from behind and it would of just been a nasty hit to his upper half.this happens in football and more so when you throw a ball in that position.WRONG CALL ON ERIC"
Freeman24 Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 12:06am EDT"I just read the team will wear their Blue Titans uniforms again for the Cincy game. Can someone please tell me why ???? The Jets wear Green, I am a Jet fan, I want to root for the the NY Jets in their Green uniforms. My kids are confused and so am I. Not only are the Titan uniforms ugly, but they are Blue and the are NOT the Jets uniforms. PLEASE STOP WEARING BLUE BE PROUD OF BEING JETS !!"
Jeremy Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:42am EDT"5th in the League for Rushing Yards allowed, wow! Hogan, you do realize nobody has to run the ball when you can't stop the pass! Even at 75 yards a game rushing, the JETS are 30th in Passing Yards allowed and guess what combined that's 24th in the League in Total Yards allowed nearly 350 a game! 5th and 30th guess which one hurts more and counts more--Passing. Thank Jenkins for the rushing stats!"
Ray Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 3:33am EDT"Vilma is 4th in tackles? Awesome! Great job by Tangini again! "
poobah Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 6:53am EDT"hi frank. here's a mangini supporter. don't think he does everything well but the direction and attitude of the team overall i think are outstanding. the jets have been moving forward during his tenure and will continue and win!"
chris Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 7:08am EDT"i love the way the d stops the run overall but 400 plus passing yards is horable. go gang green !!!!"
Anthony Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 8:48am EDT"I am loving the Run Defense. We seem to have that problem all worked out now we just need to get the secondary on the same wave length as the Dl, and LB and maybe we can really start tearing it up."
Drew Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 9:12am EDT"Hey Randy....My buddy Frank did get me thinking. Mr t traded Vilma for a 4th with the possibilty of it becoming a 2nd (Great trade by the way) but the Saints traded their 2nd rounder away for Shockey. How is that handled??"
Randy Lange Said:
"Drew, I can't confirm any of this, but it has been reported that if Jonathan Vilma meets conditions for the Jets to get New Orleans' second-round pick in '09, the Shockey trade changes to the Giants receiving the Saints' first-rounder in '10."
BIG AL Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:05am EDT"FREEMAN 24 take it easy 2x a yr every team will sport the 75th anny unis look at mon night pittsburgh in the mustard yellow helmets besides they play half decent in the blue and gold. that by the way i think are nice i dont understand what the big deal is that evey one makes about them my kids get confused as well but cinci is the last time you have to deal with it till next year go JETS "
BIG AL Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:21am EDT"and tell your kids or go on line and let them read that back in 1960 the were a charter team in the afc know as the new york titans they were bought in "63" and the name was changed to the new york jets probobly due to the stdium being next to airports and jets being the new sensation of air travel back then"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:28am EDT"Amazing.. I'm amazed certain fans who point out with statistics & no better way then with documentation. Our defence ranks close 2 the bottom in every category except the run ...Point being it needs to be fixed & if not we're heading down that same old road again .So all the bickering in the world doesn't change facts ..Run game is horrible 2 this point check statistics.. Ray mickey Mc & drew"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:53am EDT"Cont, Our offence has had only 1 very good game in 4 .. Needed 36 points to win not to mention 7 turnovers..Favre can't throw 6 TD"s every week yes the game was g8.. looks like the 3-4 isn't working in passing situations certainly isn't on 3Th downs or goal line ...again I will say facts & only facts are what I base my opinions. There's 12 games to play we stay this course playoff!! are u kidding"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 11:05am EDT"Frank you must be crazy I from day 1 have said to get Favre you were the only one PLEASE !"
zartan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 11:18am EDT"Poobah,Manghini can put some pieces of the puzzle together,he puts in a piece & another falls out.He needs to put the whole puzzle together & glue it.SUTTEN NEEDS TO FIND A BETTER MIX OF BLITZ & COVER.the LBs are not covering the pass,which will explain the run D.Factor in that Eric Smith does'nt seem to be doing that good."
mike ex jet fan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 11:30am EDT"Here's tidbit for the brain thrust U all talk about how g8 mangini comes back after the break last 2 years .. How many years will it take to fix it be4 the break? I know what the crew will say needs time to know the players what they can do .. Not . That's what training camp & preseason's for tried of excuses & your logic.... the time to win is now 3 seasons are enough Tangini time has cometh"
Ira Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:08pm EDT"Randy, Not to take anything away from Favre. But when Namath had those 6 TD passes in 72 vs the Colts didn't he complete less passes then Favre did the other day. If i can recall wasn't it something like about 15-18? And for those concerned about the running game it will get on track vs the Bengals. I have a feeling Callahan's blocking schemes and Schotty's system have not jelled yet. Its coming!"
Randy Lange Said:
"Ira, Joe Namath's passing line at Baltimore in 1972 was 28-15-496-6-1 for a passer rating (if it had been in effect at the time) of 123.5. Brett Favre's line vs. Arizona on Sunday was 34-24-289-6-1 for a 123.7 rating."
Dave Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 2:22pm EDT"What is going on with Marcus Henry. I know he was released but are we trying to get him on the practice squad? He was a sixth round pick and with his size he resembles a human glove : )"
Randy Lange Said:
"Dave, Marcus Henry was re-signed to the Jets' practice squad Sept. 24. I noticed just now that he wasn't on our practice squad roster, so he's been added."
Frank Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 3:12pm EDT"Spicer I said I was one of the very few. Drew you show your immaturity and bias in your rants. Defensively we have shown nothing with the addition Pace as OLB he is supposed to cover people as well which he clearly can't and when we need a stop on third down and at the goal line we can't. So Mangini's scheme and his personnel have shown zero improvement and the proof is in the numbers."
Frank Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 3:16pm EDT"So Drew instead of attacking me bring some proof or facts to the table where my analysis is wrong instead of railing like a child. By the way the bow season is open but it's too hot to hunt down here yet."
Kevin Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 3:30pm EDT"while we may be ranked low in most major defensive categories our rush defense is good and our sacks are good 5th and 4th respectively if we can turn around our pass defense I think we will be good we should be 5-2 headed into buffalo who has has some close games so 6-2 after them would be nice I see us as 12-4 if the D turns around"
Dunnie Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 4:06pm EDT"Freeman, we always play better in smash mouth blue and gold. I like the old Unis. Not that I dont like green and white ... but the that uniform is more finesse to me than the power blue and gold old school look."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 4:34pm EDT"Yes Spicer did say get Favre,& he said get Johnson,Mcfadden,Henry,Taylor & every other disgruntled player in the league.Mike the ex , don't take your fustration with Ray out on me. No excuses in life, we all have our crosses to bear. I'm never lonely because I always amuse myself, I'm doing it now. As for that silver spoon only 5% of the population is born with it. I do remember writing no offense"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 4:54pm EDT"MikeMc I did say get Favre, Mcfadden & Johnson but who is Henry & Taylor I dont even know what you are talking about ? The 4-3 D the MLB puts up big tackle numbers & the DE'S put up big sack numbers that is just the way it is."
Kimbo Slice Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 5:46pm EDT"Randy, Can you please tell the Jets PR department to burn those ugly Titans uniforms? I didn't see one fan wearing a Titan jersey this past Sunday. This is now 3 times they have worn them and you they still haven't sold any jerseys. When will the lightbulb go on over there? Why are the Jets forever looking for ways to alienate their fanbase? "
MikeMc Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 5:48pm EDT"Spicer I was talking about Chris Henry who was cut by the Bengals(later resigned) & Jason Taylor who was being shopped by Miami. Others I'm sure I forgot about.Frank please leave the animals alone unless your hungry. Drew Frank is just trying to get under your skin."
mike Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 7:13pm EDT"D has gotta stay aggressive. D plays aggressive in first half against Cards, turnovers lead to points, points lead to wins, wins leads to playoff's. Jets D hasn't been like that all year. Pennington almost beat them with no help, Kassel has no experience and beat them, and Rivers is good but had no pressure. Even the worst QB's can beat you if they have all day to throw."
Drew Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 7:41pm EDT"I find it funny that Frank goes out of his way to attack guys like Ira, Mike Mc, Cedric and myself for supporting our team but when his ridiulous post regarding stats, knowldge and especially Calvin Pace gets destroyed.. I'm attacking him?? It's not your analysis Frank or even your over the top complaining but when you try and justify your Pace rant by comparing him to Vilma you had to get slapped"
Drew Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 7:47pm EDT"I am still laughing at your Pace not having more tackles complaint but I 'll try to get over it. Here's some facts... The offense has been opened up, yes Favre has alot to do with it but how can Mangini win with you here?? The defense is better not great. The pass rush is much better, the rush defense is much better but they have been killed by the short passing game on 3rd down."
Drew Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 7:51pm EDT"The Miami game the defense played well. The Patriot game they played okay but got tired late (which the play calling and specials) had alot to do with. They got smoked in SD. What didnt you like in the 1st half of the Arizona game? They were up 34-0. They had to play a soft defense in the 2nd half. They won 56 -35 remember? Relax bud!!! By the way how did your boy Whisnehunt coach that game? "
BDB Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:18pm EDT"The Arizona game was not nearly as bad for the Jets defensively as it appears on paper. They played great on D 1st half, then Warner pretty much did nothing but throw in the 2nd. Plus, they had 7 TOs and 5 sacks. Tighten up the coverage some and throw in a few more blitzes and this D could be really good. BTW, Bryan Thomas looks like he is going to have a monster year. "
CEDRIC Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:51pm EDT"So 8 sacks & 6 INTs is no improvement Frank? When did the Jets get their 1st INT last year? Drew, he's pushin yours buttons. Franks too smart to be that stupid. When facts are presented to him then he slights them with shady comments. We've gone through this already. We're 2-2 & we clearly see why."
Row Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 3:00am EDT"Personally, I like to talk about coaching situations, not PR or Management issues. The Jet's staff went out and found some players who are critical to our system. I agree with Frank in when opponents needed to run the ball for points or first downs, they could. Our LB's should be first to blame. I feel it IS a coaching issue, not a player issue. To Drew, Miami very well could have beaten us..."
Ray Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 3:01am EDT"mike ex jet fan, I don't even know where I come in on this statistics rant, but ok, try this on. Stats are nice, but they are just numbers and they can be manipulated to make any argument you have look stronger. Especially early in a season. When you up 34-0 at halftime and the other team goes into the hurry up passing game, while you go into a soft coverage to waste clock then yards will..."
Ray Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 3:12am EDT"...Forgot where I left off! But the other team is going to pile up yards and pad stats. Was our defense that bad? No. Forcing all those TO's says so. So we drop in rankings because of stats. I think someone in here said SD was ranked 30th in D (maybe run D?) going into our MNF game. I don't care where they were ranked SD has a good D. Stats R nice but they aren't the be all, end all factor"
Ray Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 3:18am EDT"BTW alot of people in here were saying how Favre and the Jets passing game looked much better in the second half against SD, that was much the same thing. San Diego was playing a much softer less agressive defense in the second half. As to your bye week rant, we were 4-0 going into the bye in 2000 and then missed the playoffs, you prefer that? Again you let your expectations get the best of you"
Frank Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 8:48am EDT"Drew again your ranting runs dry. You keep making excuses the facts are what they are the defense so far stinks and has shown no improvement. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse each week. The offense is improved because of Favre he single handedly won 2 games for Mangini and and relaxed the team last week with his words and actions. We still can't run the ball effectively. "
Frank Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 8:53am EDT"Drew I'm glad you like to entertain yourself my Pace comments are valid he is paid as a top 5 LB and he is not even in the top 50 in tackles I didn't say he needed to be in the top 10 he is not even on the radar. Furthermore your 3 rd down analysis is correct the LB's have done a poor job covering people especially Pace...sip some coffee dude and ease up on the green stuff."
BIG AL Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 10:47am EDT"hey KIMBO open your swollen eyes one punch to many i guess there were plenty titan unis stop the hating all you haters out there just SHUT UP ALREADY WITH THESE UINIFORMS get used to em cuase there here to stay and p.s they play pretty darn good when they where them "
BIG AL Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 10:57am EDT"would all the wannabe generals you know who you are just shut up you rant like a bunch of arm chair warriors get a room already/ the fact is its only your opinion or spin on the facts. your boring and you put me to sleep, and to all the titan haters get over it love it or shut up"
Hogan Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 12:54pm EDT"HEY FRANK, you know what I am sick and tiered of. YOURE NEGETIVITY. You live in Texas right. Go route for the cowboys if you want a perfict team. Complaining about Pace proves you enjoy being a downer."
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 12:58pm EDT"McMike I never said bring Chris Henry I do not want that type of person on our team"
Hogan Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 1:23pm EDT"I did not like the titan unis till i saw them up close. They have accomplished bringing recognition to our routes so that is a good thing and we do seem to play well in them. DEF SMASH MOUTH."
Drew Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 5:53pm EDT"Frank??Did you happen to mention another OLB in the top 50 in tackles? Pace is not supposed to be in the top 50 bud!!. D Ware, Vrabel, Peterson, Peppers, J Taylor play outside in the 3-4 or 4-3. They rush the passer. They rarely total 100 tackles for a season. MLB like Vilma and Harris will get to 100 by week 11. These are not rants Frank they are facts that you fail to see....And Whisenhunt?? LOL"
Drew Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 6:07pm EDT"Here's the facts Frank..Mangini cannot win with a fan like you. They bring in Favre (which I loved I wanted KC instead of Chad this year) and he has played okay until last week. If Favre plays well.......they win because Favre is great.If they lose ...Mangini is horrible..Does that sum it up. They are 2-2 and can hopefully build some wins. Again how did the coach you praised do on Sunday? We know!"
HDR Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 6:14am EDT"I'm with you Hogan, I didn't like those throw back uniforms at first, but after watching them play while wearing them. It's not hard to noticed that they play a hell of a lot better in them. Maybe Mangini should make a uni change. We all know what happens when a team gets new uni's.. SUPERBOWL.. Hey, it's worth a shot!!! Go JETS!!!"
Frank Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 10:01am EDT"Hogan the term is "root" and if you don't like what I have to say blame Mangini I am pointing out obvious facts and need to keep some checks and balances on this site. I am a Giant fan not a Cowboys fan they are the new "Jail House Gang" of the NFL and I'd rather "root" for a lousy team than the team Jones built who are anything but "perfect"."
Old Rogue Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 1:08pm EDT"Randy, you said you wanted to report on the Jets, and recent opponents passing, etc. It would be telling to know if short yardage passing plays against the Jets were check-downs, or designed plays. That would be a good indication of the state of our deep coverage. Probably no way to know this, huh?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Rogue, if I may call you that, it is difficult to determine intent of pass plays (first read, checkdown, etc.) by us or the opponents, probably not impossible but not something I chart."
Kerry Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 2:24pm EDT"Randy, thought since its bye week you can maybe follow up on some interesting facts. When Brett first signed with the Jets big talk was the number of his jerseys being sold at a record rate. My #4 Woman's Jersey I bought 3 weeks ago (to replace GB one!)is backordered until 10/17 along with over 4000 others. Out of curiosity, how many Brett Favre jerseys has the Jets Shop and NFL Shop sold to date?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Not my area of expertise, Kerry, but I'll try to find out."
Drew Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 8:18pm EDT"When did Frank become a Giants fan?? Why do I bother to argue wioh this guy?? What a let down.....my main rival isnt even a real Jets fan?? What a joke!!"
Frank Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 10:27pm EDT"Drew when you surface for some air take your time and read my respose to Hogan I am not going into detail. I am a Jet fan first and foremost and aGiant fan second so spike your green kool aide and take a soft landing. By the way if you want to "laugh" about Whisenhunt what do you have to say about Mangini's egg in San Diego are you really foolish enough to gloat about one game. Grow up!"
Ray Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 1:48am EDT"Now Mangini's responsible for everything Frank says too? He should just concentrate on coaching the Jets. You know he's behind this credit crisis too, and that $700B bailout idea he came up with is the worst! "
Drew Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 9:39am EDT"I will wave the white flag for you Frank....too easy this time. As to your rooting for the Jets and the Giants?? I dont get it. I am the rare Yankee and Jet fan. I will never root for the Mess (sorry Met fans) or the Giants. It is hard to be a die hard when you can turn around and "root" for another team. To Whisenhunt you just happen to praise him before he embarressed himself against "my" coach"
Frank Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 9:56am EDT"Ray...my answer is no but I do blame him for the Sopranos going off air!"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 10:59am EDT"Cont. Seems to me making the comparison with the coaches we played 2-0 against rookie s 0-2 against veterans,, if u ask me there is no comparison yet ...would like mangini to succeed ...so far there hasn't been any real improvement.. I hear all the arguments for & against So here's what I say untill we beat teams like pats ..bills .. broncos.. Sd etc. have to vote against"
Ray Said:
Sun, October 5, 2008 - 1:32am EDT"Well I will say this Frank, if he had anything to do with how that final episode ended then I am hopping on the "Fire Mangini Now" bus!!"
anthony Said:
Sun, October 5, 2008 - 11:28am EDT"Please who did the bills and broncos beat let me know when the bills or broncos beat somebody good everybody counts the jets out every year their defense is improved and offense is better this is a good team that everyone counts out seems like nobody thinks this team is good enough to win their division or wildcard"
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, October 5, 2008 - 12:28pm EDT"Mangini is responsible for Global warming."
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Jeremy Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:57pm EDT"Only concern is that they come out flat and given how many yards they gave up against the Cards could give up big pass plays. However, if they get pressure on Carson it shouldn't be an issue. Hope TJ can get back in the mix and put up good #'s! Would like to see Keller in the slot more b/c he posses matchup issues for most LB's! Great opportunity for Elam to prove himself like last year!"
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