How the West's Been Won over the Years
Published: Thu, September 18, 2008 - 2:13pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Leon Washington, David Clowney, Sal Alosi, West Coast, Tony Richardson, John Mellody, Ron Jaworski
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09/18 — No housekeeping or hard news at head coach Eric Mangini's news conference today. It was more a day to talk about the San Diego challenge and a few other topics.
Such as making a West Coast trip, something the Jets haven't done ... can it be since the 2004 season?
Now the Jets are about to embark on perhaps the most prodigious road schedule in their history — four trips to the West Coast, beginning with Saturday's flight to San Diego to play the Chargers on Monday night.
Not surprisingly, the head coach said, he studied the issue of whether to leave for the 3,000-mile trips one day before the game or two.
"We spent a lot of time in the off-season researching, whether it be long flights or transition from time zones," Mangini said. "[Head trainer] John Mellody and his group and [head strength coach] Sal Alosi and his group interviewed a lot of people who've been in that situation, and we tried to incorporate those things into our preparation."
But going out two days ahead instead of one day, the coach said, was "something the players voted on when I was originally doing the itineraries, and it was a pretty strong vote to go out early for all these West Coast trips."
Mangini was asked if he would've preferred having back-to-back Pacific Time Zone games rather than four trips separated by at least one home game.
"I don't mind having it broken up," he said. "I've done the extended say out on the West Coast — it's been OK. Oakland's had so many East Coast trips, and Bill Callahan's on our staff. They've done it both ways there as well. When you look at it wins/losses, it's not consistently skewed one way or the other or else everybody'd follow the same package."
I'm sorry to say I have not charted the number of days the Jets have flown out in advance of West Coast games over the years. But I can tell you that the team's worst WC stretch was 0-9-1 in the Sixties, when the AFL Jets flew to Oakland and San Diego, usually back-to-back, every season.
But now the team is in an upward trend in West Coast games, having won five of the last eight since 2001 and the last three — at Oakland in '03 and twice at San Diego in '04, in Week 2 and again in the AFC Wild Card Game.
Here is the Jets' West Coast record by decades:
| Decade | Reg.Season | Playoffs | W-L-T, Pct. |
| 1960-69 | 5-13-1 | 5-13-1, .289 | |
| 1970-79 | 1-5 | 1-5, .167 | |
| 1980-89 | 4-5 | 1-0 | 5-5, .500 |
| 1990-99 | 2-6 | 2-6, .250 | |
| 2000-08 | 4-2 | 1-2 | 5-4, .556 |
| Totals | 16-31-1 | 2-2 | 18-33-1, .356 |
Clowney's Status
Mangini was asked about WR David Clowney's situation. Clowney, you'll recall, got off to a great preseason start, only to go down with a shoulder injury midway through the second summer game vs. Washington. He is listed for the second week as being out for the game ahead.
"David's doing well, moving along with his rehab," the coach said. "There's no real timetable, whenever it's ready to go. I'd say he's plugging along, and at some point here he'll be back with us."
This Week's Jets Radio
Tony Richardson brought another special Jets guest with him for this week's "Paving the Way with T-Rich": backfield mate Leon Washington. The two joined host Eric Allen for this week's edition, which is available on the newyorkjets.com home page. And EA and I will have our third "Jets Two-Minute Drive" of the season up on the site. Scheduled time is 3 p.m. Friday but we may be delayed in getting the show posted due to technical issues here at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Facility.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (30)Drew Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 3:18pm EDT"I have zero fear going into this game. Its a game that we are a 10 point underdog in and the Chargers are in must win mode. They do have a hobbled LT and Gates. This is a win-able game NOT a must win. We need to be 2-2 at the Bye. If we get this win it's just gravy."
Ira Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 3:39pm EDT"Drew, The player the Chargers could miss the most is McNeil. He is excellent and keeps Rivers on his feet. If he plays hurt or not Pace has the speed to get by him and get to Rivers. That is the key to this game. Rattle Rivers early and he will start throwing INT's. I think i would rather have an injured LT play then Sproles getting the full load. The D must come up big to win this game. GO JETS!!"
supercooljetfan Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 3:43pm EDT"we must get stuckey and keller the ball early to open it up for jones coles and cothchery . i felt this year coming in we had a lot more weapons than we had in the last 5 years or so and to be only scoring what we have is crazzy. i hope clemens and ratliff are taking notes cuz this is def bretts las year with us "
LukeV Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 4:17pm EDT"Just out of curiosity, why does our active roster page show 54 active members, i thought only 53 were allowed? "
Randy Lange Said:
"LukeV, we are continuing to list RB Jesse Chatman on the active roster even though he is suspended and can't return until after the fourth game."
Sam 830 Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 4:50pm EDT"I agree with uncle joe from previous thread. Ira should have his own spot on Jets Nation. He brings an informed, passionate fan's perspective to any football discussion-whether it''s on the internet or radio. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of players and history that adds depth to his comments. He's positive and insightful. Why no room for an avid fan like Ira to express his viewpoint"
Hogan Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 4:53pm EDT"Drew, I could not agree more. Actually The arizona game has me alittle more worried. They are looking like a new team. "
scjoe Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 5:14pm EDT"Really happy to hear Clowney is doing well, can not wait to get him back in the mix, with Clowney wide, Stucky in the slot, and Leon coming out of the backfield we will have speed to burn. Glad to see Cummings re signed to the practice squad, he could be a beast along side of Harris."
BIG AL Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 9:08pm EDT"why the trip to SD is a worry blows my mind these guys ar in ther 20s late 20s a handfull of 30 something millionairs and to go better mangini even joked about do disney give me a break the bottom line is the JETS need to get there stuff together and they get there a day earlier then normal to aclamate to field conditions so no excuse lets win this already BIG STATEMENT FOR THE JETS IN THE /AFC"
Andrew in Tucson Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 9:28pm EDT"Drew it right if we go into the bye at 2-2 we will be in excellent shape! I hope the Jets go the san diego and pull off the upset. Stop the run and the Jets have a shot. GO! J!E!T!S! JETS! JETS! JETS!"
Drew Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 9:34pm EDT"Hogan.....I would like to see the Cardinals come acroos the country and beat the Jets on the road if the Jets need the game to go to 2-2. I would love to win this game in SD for a ton of reasons. Being 2-1 would be great and it "might" get some of the Mangini killers to calm down for maybe a week or so."
BIG AL Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 10:24pm EDT"drew the JETS need this win for the battle of the AFC the NE is still the team to beat and the BILLS are relentless in there pursuit to the playoffs if you look at our division then the east we need all the confrence wins we can get otherwise we are just wild cards again think about it NE / BILLS PITTS /COLTS SD/DENVER we need this win dont fool yourself this is big but i still believe in JETS"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 10:31pm EDT"hope your right big Al hope so - as for your comment Ray about the manginis interviews let me understand what your saying fans here - dont listen & don't want to hear whats going on with the team lets takew a vote ok . & I hope Ed don.t know where u live u sure destroyed the spelling of his name HA! "
Xavion Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 10:50pm EDT"Does anyone here feel that the bills are more talented than we are Because I dont I hate the fact that they are ahead of us and in the lead with NE for the Division. Granted both Teams they beat are 0-2 but We should be outscoring them. I agree with Brett if we dont play well and make this a must win we wont look like serious contenders and maybe players and fans alike will be discouraged"
CFU Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 10:53pm EDT"Are you guys kidding me we need to win this game. It's Monday Night Football center stage. If we want redemption from last week we need to bring are A game to the Chargers and play to win not play to lose. Last weeks game made me sick this week I better see some heart and team spirit on those sidelines no sob faces. You guys need 2 make a strong statement this week and show that your not chumps"
Pete Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 11:14pm EDT"That's what I'm talking about. He gets asked about Clowney and he says he's doing well and at some point he'll be back. Why bother answering any questions at all? I think he should spend less time researching the various stats regarding travel days and take a closer look at the offense in the red zone."
Ray Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 4:01am EDT"As I look down the road it is apparent that the bye week is a perfect set up for us. If we go in at least 2-2 we come out with three games we should win with Cinci and KC at home and Oakland on the road. If they take care of business against them, that is the perfect confidence building stretch that could allow them to jell as a unit. If they make it thru those unscathed, then we have hope."
uncle joe Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 6:28am EDT"Thankyou Sam 830,thats 2 votes Ira.Drew I too have major confidence in this game,these are the games we play the best(are we really 10 points underdog?)And Ira 100%more worried about Sproles.When LT is in everyone watches him,but Sproles they might relax on him and he can hurt you."
BIG AL Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 9:46am EDT"Hello guys stop thinking 2-2 is the path to the playoffs if we lose to SD i feel we lose the respect of the AFC leaders no one will care except us and then we go 2-1 the cards are a scoring machine putting up 30+points per game we have to cut the legs out from LT stop the offense and take advantage of a weak def if they dont i dont feel they have what it takes to beat the better teams GO JETS"
BIG AL Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 9:53am EDT"and to add i know we have a soft middle schedule but that should be the icing on the season not the hopes of adding W to hang around we need to beat the leaders of the NFL how else will they survive the playoffs if they get in they need to win these statement games SD / BILLS / NE because down the line it gets hard with pitt denver colts/tenn so mangini needs to trust his leaders and let them play"
Drew Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 11:35am EDT"Not true Big Al... Dont get me wrong I want to win this game as much as anyone but we could very well lose this game and make the playoffs and win our division. I have not changed my goals just because Brady got hurt. I wanted to be 2-2 with a chance at 3-1. We still have that chance. Our Defense is playing well and we need to tread water until Favre and the O get going. "
Ray Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 12:42pm EDT"Sorry BIG AL and CFU but your wrong. While it will be great if we win this game and AZ for that matter and go into the bye week at 3-1, it is not essential. And I could give a rats behind about the rest of the leagues respect. What I want is to see this team jell and be on a roll come week 16. If they don't respect us for how we played in week 1-4, great, no one respected the Gmen last year."
Steven Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 1:18pm EDT"All I'm looking for is "improvement" in every facet of the game. Most importently, the Special Teams. If the Jets can continue to improve on Defense, you know the offense is going to come around with solid play calling. I think the key is going to be the Special Teams which was the most solid unit on last years team!! They can take this game!"
BIG AL Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 2:09pm EDT"i feel you Drew and want nothing more then what every one in this site wants but you dont agree with me on that if they dont close the BILLS and NE and losing to SD that 2-2 is still hopeful for a true run into the playoffs fine we get there and then what lose and there out season over what does that prove all it says is we reapeted 06 I HOPE I AM WRONG MAN i want them to go deep so bad"
Moshe Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 2:59pm EDT"I hate to say it, but I agree with BIG AL. Losing to a Bradyless Patriot team and having it come down to the wire against a bad dolphins D is not making the Jets look like contenders in the AFC. NE is going to beat miami this week, and I think Buffalo beats Oakland. If the Jets are going to prove that they are for real, it's going to be in the spotlight on MNF"
Mike Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 4:25pm EDT"I think the special teams needs the most improvement. If you look at last week where the Jets starting field position was all at the 20 and the Patriots were getting much better position, that was the game right there. I also think the blown field goal on the first drive set the tempo for the game. But the past is the past and they desperately need to rebound this week against the Chargers. "
Row Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 8:11pm EDT"It really looked like Favre was bothered by the pressure in New York. He was on the sideline with his head in his lap like Vince Young. This is a MUST WIN game if we want to have a confident QB, not a throw it up and pray one. I hope Brian has an amazing game plan, because two more games of this nonsense and I would ask for him to step down. Where is the guy we signed to help him? "
mike ex jet fan Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 11:47pm EDT"ray so what your saying , if we beat the 3 worst teams were playing this season we can jell as a team - we may have hope [uh oh] getting my unknown fan bag ready "
Ray Said:
Sat, September 20, 2008 - 1:23am EDT"mike ex jet fan, what I was saying was I don't listen to those interviews, or any coaches interview for that matter, thinking I am going to get any honest insightful answers to what they really think. I am sure all I will hear is "coach speak". As for Big Ed, I butchered his name about as bad as he butchered that call!! HA!"
Ray Said:
Sat, September 20, 2008 - 1:37pm EDT"mike ex jet fan, yes I'm saying beat the teams we should beat, get our confidence, timing and chemistry together in the process. And btw, if things go right we beat AZ (and if they really go right SD) before the bye week and so we have four/five straight going back to the meat of the schedule. And I'm sure you and all the other "die hards" in here that "bleed" for them have a drawer full of bags"
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Ira Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 2:41pm EDT"Randy, I recall the Jets staying on the WC during the 60's when they often had back to back WC games. I think that was Herm's mistake back in 01 when he played in Oakland then came back to the EC and went back to play 6 days later again."
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