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08/23 — The Jets' 10-7 victory over the Giants was a green and white kaleidoscope. Turn it one way and there were some appealing patterns: an outstanding pass rush against the defending Super Bowl champions, a well-executed game-winning touchdown pass from Brett Ratliff to Paul Raymond to provide the necessary points with six minutes left.
Twist it another way and the picture isn't as pretty. Twelve penalties, the most in any of the 44 games of Eric Mangini's head-coaching tenure, cost the Jets an awesome Brett Favre-to-Jerricho Cotchery TD strike, perhaps Brad Smith's finest catch as a pro to date, some field position and lots of momentum.
"Coach seems like a psychic," Cotchery said. "Before the game he said he was looking for awareness and communication out there."
Meaning perhaps that A&C contributed to the pretty parts of the Jets picture. And a lack of same led to the points that will be stressed Monday and Tuesday before the Jets head into final-preseason-mode with their annual Kickoff Luncheon on Wednesday and their trip to Philadelphia to play the Eagles on Thursday night.
In our coverage of the game, Eric Allen is writing through his game story with quotes and info on the Jets' pass rush and the play from all three QBs — Favre, Ratliff and Kellen Clemens — and Stephen Haynes will write about the strong first-half defensive performance led by linebackers Calvin Pace and David Harris. This is not to forget those big names, but the pass rush, for example, came from everywhere against the champs.
The Jets' eight sacks were their most in any game since they dropped Phil Simms eight times in their season-ending 27-21 win in 1988.
"We just wanted to go out and play aggressive. On defense we were able to communicate in the secondary and up front," said safety Abram Elam, who had a fine third-down, second-effort sack of David Carr to set up the winning TD drive. "We got a chance to come off the edge tonight. If you're getting blocked, you can't stay blocked. I was just trying to be aggressive till the whistle blew."
"We were out there executing, having fun, flying around," said CB Drew Coleman, who also had a Carr sack, in the third quarter, then sealed the game from an overtime-inducing last-second field goal with his interception of rookie QB Andre Woodson with 1:06 left.
The prettiest execution on offense, other than Favre-to-Cotchery, was when Ratliff covered 51 yards on two completions to put the Jets on top to stay. The first was to TE Jason Pociask for 27, the last was a progression to the right side of the field from Ratliff to Raymond.
You'll remember that Raymond failed to hold a late game-winning TD grab in the end zone a week ago against Washington. If you read newyorkjets.com, you'll also remember that Ratliff said if he had another chance, he'd go back to Raymond again.
"Making a play like that really gives me confidence," said Raymond, the Brown University receiver and sprinter who separated from second-year DB Geoffrey Pope to make the catch. "Brett showed a lot for him to come back to me after last week. I really appreciate it. We gave each other a hug back on the sideline."
"I started left with Marcus Henry, but his guy was way off, so I came right back to Paul," said Ratliff, who with his 51 passing yards still has a chance to be leading the NFL with 451 passing yards this preseason. "Paul got open, I put it up there for him and he really gave me a great catch. He did the hard part. I just threw it."
Of course there are issues for the Jets. The ground game could grind out only 58 yards on 26 carries. And there were the penalties. But Mangini took some of the heat for them, saying of the : "I didn't do a good enough job emphasizing getting the tackles up [on the line] even tighter than they were. Like I said, that did come down from the league. Anytime that's a point of emphasis, you'd better get it fixed and you'd better get it straightened out. I could've done a much better job with that."
And the players weren't alibiing the 11 offensive flags.
"They called it tight, so you've got to play it how they call it," guard Alan Faneca said. "We've got to do a lot of things better."
Almost lost in the ins and outs of the game was the fact that the Jets scored another preseason win over the Giants. After 40 summer games and 11 regular-season matchups between the teams since they first met at the Yale Bowl in the summer of 1969, the teams are tied at 25-25-1.
But holding the Giants' vaunted pass rush to a pair of sacks wasn't something tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson was going to brag about.
"Obviously there are a lot of things we can work on and get better at," Brick said. "Each week we're trying to proceed in a positive direction."
And Ratliff had a similar take.
"Any win is nice. It is a little sweeter when it's the Giants," he said. "But I'm just trying to go out and play no matter who it is, and we came out on top."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (84)Ray Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 12:29am EDT"I have to wait until NFL Network replays this game to see it, but from everything I'm reading it sounds like we had a solid game. If we take care of the penalties, and those are correctable, we should be ok. Still no sign of the running game. And just looking at the stats, looks like we are still giving up alot of rushing yards. How was Gholston?"
RAZZ Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 12:33am EDT"THAT DID NOT LOOK GOOD! BUT, IT IS ALL STUFF THAT CAN BE CORRECTED!"
dennis Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 1:02am EDT"Its a shame that Brett Ratliff will never get a chance with the Jets. Teams like Dallas take shots with young guys like Romo and that leads to success. The Jets never seem to do this, even though i believe the crowd could really get behind a hard working guy like Ratliff"
Fred from Philly Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 1:09am EDT"I was luke warm to the trade for Farve, but that frozen rope to Cotchery was something to see , much less even in the play book in previous yrs. There is a definite chemistry forming between these two, I hope Coles will be able to join the fun.The penalties will be corrected, but the rushing O. is a concern . Patience is the key as these Jets WILL be playing meaningful football come Halloween !"
Alexander Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 1:54am EDT"Gholston looked good. He was in the backfield every play, but he is still lost (playing football) He is just an athlete! Pushing kids back every play!"
Scott Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:39am EDT"From a 50 yard line vantgae point, the Jets outplayed the Giants in virtually every phase of the game. Penalty on Mosely seemed ridiculous, the defense is overpowering. It isn't only the rush. The DBs are outstanding, also. We hear so much about Favre(who had two bombs taken back because of penalties, including a pefect TD to Cotchery) and the offense, but the defense is incredible this year."
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:46am EDT"Gholston was playing early on with the 1st unit and really didn't apply much pressure to the QB but he had to be accounted for and it opened up space for others. Randy, i was at that very 1st Yale Bowl game. Wow that seems like a lifetime ago. Maybe some of that lack of a running game had a lot to do with terrible field position most of the game. So most of the runs were very predictable."
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:49am EDT"To me it seems that M.Smith will be the odd man out. 2 games in a row now Chatman has gotten the bulk of the 2nd unit work. Carroll could make this team now especially with Miller's status unknown. I would be shocked if Miller is ready for the opener. BTW memo to Peter King it was a nice turnout from the fans for the game. I guess about 55,000. Randy any #'s?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Ira, I did not hear a turnstile count."
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:07am EDT"According to several reports since Friday it seems Westhoff will be back with the Jets. This is tremendous news not only for the team getting back one of the best coaches in the game but more important he is healed and healthy. GO JETS!!!!"
CCY Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:08am EDT"Randy, every time I spotted Keller before the snap, he was a stand-up receiver. Did he play any traditional TE?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Yes, some, CCY, but I don't have a play count."
Patrick Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:17am EDT"They did'nt have the game on in my area,but its looks like the running game continues to struggle,and we still give up alot of yards on the ground.I'm sure Paul Raymond feels alot better after this game."
GIGSMAN Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:25am EDT"I THINK THE JETS LOOKED REALLY GOOD LAST NIGHT. THEY HAVE TO CORRECT THOSE STUPID PENALTIES , AND I LOVE THE OTHER BRETT TOO I THINK HE LOOKS LIKE HE WILL GIVE CLEMENS A RUN FOR BACK UP. LETS HOPE EVERYBODY STAYS HEALTHY AND WE WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR. LETS GO JETS"
Bradford Witt Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:39am EDT"Kerry Jenkins already seems like a major upgrade over D. Robertson. Bigger, Stronger and seems to move down the line faster to make plays. I love his intensity."
Patrick Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 8:43am EDT"Furthermore, on that lack of running game,Its seems like the running backs don't have any holes to run thru.They are trying to break tackles around the line of scrimage,I Believe the offensive line needs improvement on runblocking."
Rob Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:06am EDT"The first team was not too impressive. I thought corners were playing too soft and revis was a step behind of few plays, and the linebackers dropped back in coverage before the ball was snapped...thats not too disguising. Everything said, we're still in pre-season and everyone has time to be on same page by first game. I'm still excited....GO JETS!!"
JAYNDSUN Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 10:21am EDT"Penalties are not indicative of a Magini team this can and WILL be corrected The running game and lack there of and lack of run defense worries me. Consequently Clemens looked very, very solid and should solidify his #2 spot. I’d like for #5 to play the first half in the next game. He should play against #2’s and 3’s so the Jets 1st team shouldn’t have no trouble moving the ball. I'll be @ week1!"
MikeMc Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:01am EDT"Cedric&Alexander, Gholston did not look good, he never sniffed the QB& lost containment several times in the run. Lowery again shined, I hear Miller was hurt. Pace was unbelievable, Jenkins&Harris solid.Bad taunt by CJ, penalties were a problem,Mangini will make the team pay. Ira, I agree Musa is a goner. Nice game by B.Smith,kick coverage looks weak& can we field a punt? is it true about Westoff?"
supercooljetfan Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:12am EDT"i just read in the daily news theres a chance mike westhoff will be coming back to coach special teams "
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:19am EDT"I was at the game last night & I think our secondary is going to be a big problem I do not like Miller or Smith at all. Give Lowery a shot at CB let Poteat play nickle & Barrett be the dime back tell Miller just to focus on kick returns he is not a good cover corner. Elam should start over Smith at least he will hit someone in the mouth he is good vs the run Smith can not play the run or the pass "
supercooljetfan Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:19am EDT"was at the game lasnite liked wat i saw of calvin pace and i also think marcus henry could do some good things for us this year . Also this is probaly one of the most well rounded jet teams i have seen in like 12 years "
Dan Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:22am EDT"We have an arm now. The D still can not stop the run. And we have no pass rush unless we bring the kitchen sink. O looks potentially good IF we can get some run blocking. It is what it is."
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:25am EDT"Thomas Jones does not llok good he looks old & slow he does not hit the hole hard with the new O line & Brett being a threat to pass he is out of execuses if he does not rush for at least 1,300 this year we need someone new. Also guys are saying Gholston did better last night I am going to have to watch the replay of the game cause I thought he was lost he did not keep contain & he was getting "
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:27am EDT"I like the fact that Mangini admitted to some of the penalties being his fault is good, that is the 1st time he's ever admit to something wrong and not just something being "a function of" which he always says. They can and will be corrected, and lets give the OLINE some props for holding its own against one of the best front seven in the league."
wayne Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:29am EDT"Dennis, what are you talking about? You make it sound as if Ratliff is about to be cut. He's an undrafted free agent with a non discript football background and he's challenging for the #2 spot against a #2 pick. Tony Romo didn't walk in off the street and have a position handed to him. This kid will get his shot. If there's one thing this mgt has done is give FAs opptys. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:30am EDT"blocked by the back he should be tossing backs to the side it is not like it was a O lineman YOU GUYS SEEM TO FORGET we spent a the 6th overall pick on this guy a pick that high is supposed to come in & start right away & make a impact right away. I was very happy with the team overall we did not have Coles & Ellis & I think we took it to the G Men 2 deep passes were called back on us 1 for a TD "
Drew Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:38am EDT"Looks like B Smith woke up the last 2 weeks. Maybe I was wrong about him. If Coles can get off the sidelines we should be pretty nice at receiver.....Keep hearing that Westhoff has been seen at camp?? Any truth to that? This guy changed the way we play specials since he got here from Miami. He adds wins to our season. What would happen to Oshea??"
JAYNDSUN Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 12:24pm EDT"^^ (#5=#4) I meant Favre. I’d like for Brett (#4) and the first team (LC anyone?) to play the first half of the last preseason game; simply to get more reps vs. a different defense. Also let’s see this offensive line be more aggressive! I want to see the O-line REALLY blow some holes open for TJones! "
Drew Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:03pm EDT"What a suprise....T Spicer did not like the way Gholsten played. The kid was beating the LT when he rushed. You want to take 1 play where he got blocked by a RB and say he had a bad game?? Gholsten has gotten better with each rep. Tom do me a favor..go watch C Long that was drafted 3 spots earlier and tell me how he has done so far. They are switching to OLB. Give the kid more than 3 weeks."
Drew Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:17pm EDT"Just to add...It looks like Arizona will name K Warner their starting QB. So for all of the Brick haters out there, it hasnt been that bad of a deal. We could have gotten Leinart who has been horrible. The light will go on for DBrick this year and finally justify his high selection....something R Bush and Leinart have yet to do."
scjoe Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:24pm EDT"I think Brett, and the O-line still need more time to get it down, but I think the D will get us through the first four or five games ok. Randy, what is the roster status of Clowney, he is not on the PUP, is he?"
Randy Lange Said:
"scjoe, at the moment David Clowney is on the active roster. My understanding is that a player can't go on PUP unless he starts training camp on the list."
MikeMc Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:34pm EDT"Drew your off base here, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Spicer. Gholston is having problems, & he played most of the game without getting dirty, yes he is getting better & I expect him to be an impact player down the road, but truth be told hes not living up to the billing. O.K. maybe Long is struggling too, but we need our OLB's to contain the edge while rushing the passer, & maybe a sack soon"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:42pm EDT"anyone who did not see the game it is on today at 4 pm eastern on nfl network besides the 2 deep passes that were called back (1 of them was for a touchdown) there were 2 20 plus yard passes that were dropped 1 each by Baker & Keller & they were for 20 yards each if they had gotten tackled right away who knows what would have happened if they would have caught them anyway good overall job GO JETS "
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 2:56pm EDT"I'm not saying that VG was great, im saying he was better than he was before, he's more aggressive & he when he was in he did not play coverage, they had him attack the entire game, Eli had to throw a ball away when he came after him, another time he got in close, and during the Pace sack in the Red zone, guess who was in the backfield too, VG. Pace got there 1st. "
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:00pm EDT"Spicer im not saying your wrong we should have high expectations of him, but we should also have to factor in the time he's missed & the fact he's learning a new position. i've watched game twice, & ive seen plays in which he was there. critizing him isnt going to make him worse or better, we're going to be the same ones cheering him when he does develop. If he doesnt, then he goes with the rest.."
GANGGREN Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:01pm EDT"PACE IS GONNA HAVE A BREAKOUT YEAR... THEY NEED TO SPREAD IT OUT MORE TO GETJONES SUM RUNNING LANES...JAYNDSUN I'LL SE U THERE I'LL BE IN ,MIAMI SEASON OPENER 20 YRD LINE JETS SIDELINE 7 ROOMS FROM THE FIELD WTCHING THE JETS MAKE CHAD P LOOK LIKE A HIGH SCHOOLER!!!!!!"
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:04pm EDT"Of the "Busts" in the league that everyteam picks up. Nothing is a lock, u take chances and thats it. Was anybody here an expert of driving a car the first time they did it? NO, but now that u are u cant probably imagine being bad at it, give him some time. I see progress...But maybe im wrong."
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:14pm EDT"And i'd rather have a player making progress in a new system and a new position, than a player struggling at the position that he's supposed to be playing (Chris LONG)"
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 3:23pm EDT"While these Jets/Giants games are alwats fun thre have been too many times that a big star get hurt and is out for the year. Simms, Chad, Sehorn just to name a few. Osi will be out for the year. Lets hope Miller doesn't have a broken foot or ankle. I have a lousy feeling about Miller. Hope i am wrong. Drew good point abou Leinart. Brick will have a great year this year. GO JETS!!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 4:34pm EDT"Drew I did not say anything about sacks or tackles I am talking about the most simple thing keeping contain when you play ball for the 1st time thats what any OLB, DE or CB is told the coach says I dont care if you dont make the tackle but keep the guy inside so your team will come over & get him dont let anyone get outside you Gholston is getting sealed by RBS KEEP CONTAIN THIS IS DAY 1 STUFF "
joe b Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 4:52pm EDT"The Colts open up thier new stadium this weekend. Does anybody know if they have PSLs ?"
Tom Kelly Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 5:35pm EDT"Any David Ball news? Has he played in a pre-season game? Will he make the team? Is he getting a fair shot?"
Eric NM Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 5:54pm EDT"That's terrible news about Osi--I agree with Ira--I always fear the Giants pre-season game. My take on last night is that TJ has lost a lot; would consider trading him if possible--VG looked better--KC should only be kept if he is better than Ainge--Raymond can get open---Elam over Smith--Lowery starts--I like the idea of jenkins/mosely in the 4-3 with Ghol and Ellis at end. DH, CP, and BT at LB"
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 6:32pm EDT"I am very happy that i was wrong about Miller. Cimini is reporting that he is fine and thats great news. GO JETS!!!!"
Dennis Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 6:59pm EDT"Wayne, you are right, but if Favre goes down i think he deserves a chance, and should definetly be 2nd on the depth chart. I was a huge Clemens fan but he is doesn't seem to have the command in the huddle and ability to go thru his progressions that Ratliff does."
Ray Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:25pm EDT"Ok Spicer, imagine you are an excellent baseball player, an outfielder, in college. So the Mets draft you #6. But they like your athletic ability so they tell you they are going to make you a shortstop. But they don't start you out in single A they put you right on the big club. You get 3 weeks of spring training and that's it, start the season. Think you might feel lost? Too bad, your....."
Ray Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:31pm EDT".....the #6 pick. Oh and don't let it affect your hitting, cause that has nothing to do with playing shortstop. That is how realistic you and some of the others are right now with VG. Having high expectations are one thing, but expecting immediate results, or using the 'bust" label (some have, not nec. you) is not realistic or fair at this point. He is learning to play football all over again."
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:46pm EDT"Dennis, While Ratliff has looked better then Kellen has most of the summer i feel they will go with Kellen as their #2 unless he just has a really bad game vs the Eagles. Experience does count and that should keep Kellen at #2. Next summer will be a real competition between Kellen and Ratliff hopefully for the #2 spot again if Favre returns for a 2nd year."
Ira Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 7:50pm EDT"Dennis, Ratliff has looked better over the summer then Kellen has. But Kellen played well last night and unless he has a bad showing vs the Eagles will be the #2 for now. Experience does count. Next summer will be a different story. Lets hope Favre will be back and Ratliff and Kellen battle it out for the #2 next summer."
dea Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:09pm EDT"Favre is the present, Ainge is the future! The Jets need a 6'6", strong-armed, poised QB to lead them to a super bowl. The days of the 6'2"-6'3" QB are over, for 'winning super bowls'. They play good enough to get ya to the playoffs, but recent history shows the trend for WINNING the HUGE games. The "last small QB to WIN a SUPER BOWL," was in 2000. Defenses have changed, D-lines: over 6'6""
Jesse Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:14pm EDT"That was a great game by team gang green! I think VG played ok with the first squad, but there is always room for improvement. The defense in general was amazing Kerry R. looked like he was every where on field in the 1st quarter and Calvin P. showed us why we picked him up! Also, liked seeing Lowery out with the first squad the kid is special! Penalties and bad yard position effected our run game"
Kevin Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:41pm EDT"VG is getting better Ratliff is playing like a starter and should be #2 but experience does count for something so KC will get that spot Henry impressed me this game and Calvin Pace is going to get alot of sacks Jenkins is much better than D Rob and a good pickup if TJ continues to be slow hitting the holes we need to make chatman our #1 and leon our #2 because TJ is just hitting the holes"
Stew Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:57pm EDT"Just watched the game on the NFL network. While everyone is saying how Jones isn't hitting the holes quick enough and we're still struggling to establish the run, I was extremely disappointed in the play of Tony Richardson. We brought him in to open some holes and I noticed four plays where he went one direction, Jones or Leon went another and Richardson didn't make a block at all."
Row Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 3:09am EDT"I agree with Spicer on VG. Just incase anyone didn't notice, V. Gholston is lining up down, I may not have seen all the game, but the guy is just not getting it. Elam will knock someone's head off, which our D really needs right now along with the sack he had. Thanks for bringing the pain! Now Schott, let's see some smash mouth O, I-formation running the ball until it works. We can get it right!"
BigEd Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 4:46am EDT"Saw the replay on NFL network and read a bunch of articles. The penalties were very sloppy. Ran out of the shotgun ALOT. Same play too. Hand off on the left and run right. Hand off on the right and run left. It is a concern, however Leon looked good and so did Chatman. Chat will make the team. So will Ratliff. Ainge is a gonner even though he's got potential."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:04am EDT"OK,Gholston looks like he is moving slow so he can learn wherer he needs to be not making the tackle yet is not the end of the world.And alot of times as the play comes his way it always looks like the O-Lineman is pulling at the inside of his shirt.Noticed it week one and last week with Redskins' Samuel.He needs to learn how to avoid that but i do see PROGRESS.Could Lowery start week One?"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:14am EDT"Hey Ira,Henry making tackle on STs!Hes making the team,And why cant D.Coleman start,love Lowery but Coleman makes plays every week.Ints,breakups,stoping the run hes just flying around ripping at the ball playing aggresive.Ever since that Bears game hes been in the Dog House,whats the deal?Revis looks slow,like hes taking things for granted.HITMAN THE HAMMER HARRIS IS BACK BABY!!!!!!!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:21am EDT"and Barton is playing real good.Jenkins is awesome.Pace is for real and that guy on our team,whats his name ?Kerry I think,Rhodes or something,COULD BE DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR!Didnt think it was possible but he raised his game to a whole nother Level.Coles who?Trade Miller.Keep Carrol.Start Elam.3 player rushing attack,Chatman to good not to play T.Jones not good enough to play alot."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:28am EDT"Shame about Osi,but Brick was handling him pretty good by himself.Hes been playing well all preseason.Looking at the rest of the high picks that year I guess we made the right choice.And Ill say it again,Would much rather have Leon Washington than Bush(Or anybody for that matter)plus Mangold Ferg and Clemens,none of which we would of had had me made the trade everyone was saying we needed to make"
Drew Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:10am EDT"Gholsten has played OLB for 3 weeks....Calm Down. He is a powerful rusher but will have to learn to recognize when they are running a draw or delay to his side as a OLB. He got caught a couple of times. Thats not to be expected?? The fact is he played much better since game #1.Tell me the rookies that are not RB's (easiest transition from college) that are playing well 3 weeks into thier career?"
Donna Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:12am EDT"I missed seeing #4 play, but was looking at sites on line throughout out the game to keep up with the score. I live near Milwaukee. I was very happy to see that Brett is growing & got the 9 out of 12 & only one sack. He has a lot to learn. He is certainly putting a lot into it. Great that the Giants were sacked so many times and Eli had less completions. The game showed lots of potential!!!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:13am EDT"Westoff comes back we are definately Supe contenders!The man is a Genius and would be that piece that puts us over the top.The field position battle is one of the most important aspects of the game.It dictates the play calling,with him aboard again will be a major moral boost for this team AGAIN.Special year,it just seems like at least once a month we get better and better."
Drew Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:14am EDT"Greg Butle made this point on back to back runs to Gholsten's side. 1st play he bit inside and totally misplayed the run and left the CB and LB to make a tackle 8 yrds downfield. The next play he blew up the TE and push him back into the RB to assist on a no gain tackle. This is called progress....... By the 4th game of the season I am going to be laughing at you. "
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:16am EDT"Will Strahan come back to help his old team.What a difference a year makes.Last year they were stacked,this year they were sacked EIGHT TIMES by your own NEW YORK JETS! "
uncle joe's WHY COME? Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:54am EDT"And Randy,WHY COME no one made a big deal of that tackle out of bounds on Farve?What the Hell was that?He was running out of bounds.That Giant jerk fell on his legs and he almost got real hurt.Alls I saw on that play was My New Madden game cover!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 9:12am EDT"So Abram Elam delay blitzes and it gets picked up.By a second year guard # 70,who is 6-5 ,315 pounds.The 315 pounder gets knocked on his better half while Abram gains his balance and sacks the QB.Awesome.D.Coleman I think swatted a ball at the line,Sacked the QB and ended the game with a nice play on an Int.Plus both players are nice in run support.E.Smith is playing good but Miller?Barret?"
Dunnie Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 9:13am EDT"Spicer ... dude ... do you have a personal vendetta against Gholston ?? He is going to be fine. I bet he does not come into his own until next year. But he will be fine by week 8. The kid is changing positions ... you need to remember that. He is thinking right now ... not playing. We need to stop the run and create more on our runs. I liked what I saw .. barring the penalties."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 9:37am EDT"Farve to Cotchery looks like it has potential to get Cotchery a pro bowl.You Know Rhodes is going.If Westoff is back Washington is going.Lowery looks real good.RANDY how many fourth rounders do we get next year?Trade Gholston for a few more 4s!Keller looks great but hes gotta stop dropping passes.Could Franks get cut?If it came down to that will Farve stop talking to the media like Coles?"
Peter Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 9:59am EDT"Is anyone else worried about Thomas Jones and the running game? I liked the improved defense and Favre in passing situations. But TJ looked pretty bad to me. Randy, any thoughts? "
donal Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 10:36am EDT"I spent most of the game yelling at the tv because of all the false start & alignment penalties. Don't the Jets have officials at camp to point these things out? Perhaps Mangini & Callahan, as well as the OL offenders, should run some laps because of all the stupid and repeated penalties. While I am not a fan of Clemens, I feel he played well last night & stays in contention for the #2 spot."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 10:49am EDT"Uncle Joe, that was Lowery who swatted the ball at the line, and Elam should start, he helps in run support. VG also has about 6 tackles so far in the preseason. The Running game still needs work, but i have confidence it will get better."
russ Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:07am EDT"Stopping the run # 1..Both Parcells and Belicheck will keep a pass rush at bay by running at you.....And didnt see many brakdowns on Giants DL when we ran the ball...so work still in progress..."
MikeMc Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:22am EDT"Cedric,not only did Lowrey smack the ball down he almost picked it , and took a LICK, I mean he was downright belted & got right up.I didn't like Favre getting hit going out of bounds either, but it is football. Drew nobody is calling Gholston a bust,we are just evaluating what we see at this time, I fully expect him to be awesome in a few weeks, so no reason to get defensive. T.Jones will be fine"
Drew Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:50am EDT"The reason why D Coleman will not start is the same reason R Mickens never started all of those years. He is the only guy we have that can play the nickel and cover the inside receiver. It doesnt help that he is 5'.... Lowery should start from week 1.....I agree on Elam. The only problem is he tries way to hard to lay a big hit and has a big problem covering the TE's. He got beat alot last year."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:51am EDT"Thanks Cedric,Lowery reminds me of Ty Law.Not worried about TJ because they have been using Leon ALOT and Chattman is playing real well.I am worried about Revis though!I dont know something doesnt look right with him.Gholston looked a little better but 9 tackles?he played almost all the downs.we better not loose Cummings because you know Belicheck is watching!Could Lowery Start?"
donal Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:57am EDT"While this might be a little off topic, it will be interesting to see who the first cuts are to get down to 75 players on Tuesday. Any ideas?"
Ken Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 12:05pm EDT"The JETS better NOT let RATLIFF go or TRADE Ratliff! RATLIFF looks like the replacement for FARVE when he does retire. I heard some comments that RATLIFF could be trade bait some where in the future. The JETS better NOT trade RATLIFF. RATLIFF is definitely a better QB than CLEMENS."
Ira Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 12:16pm EDT"The running game will be fine. Just give them time. Remember Callahan i am sure has put in a whole new blocking scheme and they need to all get on the same page. The defense will carry this team for the 1st month."
OriginalJetFan Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 12:42pm EDT" have to add to something someone said, i was there and focused for awhile on Kris jenkins. Double teamed on almost every play he held position, one or two times not Doubled he was in the backfield, the impact he will have on this defense is HUGE,just like him. TJ looks like he's lost a bit, might see more of Leon and Chatham at RB, as a committeee they could go for 2,000yds. "
mike Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 2:12pm EDT"brett favre and the first team of the jets outplayed the giants. brett favre can not do it all. thomas jones is really not improving from last year and can barely mange an animic 3 yards. I'm not pushing the panic button, but jesse chatman and leon are looking good in preason. TJ's line was 6rush -ll yards. It appears like hes running into tackles and teammates. lots of positives but some negative"
Steve Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 2:46pm EDT"Mangini has has 2+ years now to fix this non-existant running game and it doesnt seemed to have happened yet, even with the addition of two new O Linemen, and a new O Line coach as well. Im a bit concerned about this now, as I feel that a strong running game is essential for this team to be successful, both offensively and defensively. "
Row Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 4:21pm EDT"Everyone who is knocking Jones needs to cut it out. Our OC is HORRIBLE! We cannot win running the ball like that, it is not the RB's fault. He is getting hit before he gets to the LOS. I am sick of this, who is the line coach? Why are we not getting it two weeks before week one? This is not college Brian, save the trick motion college offense for college. You are taking #4 out of the game! "
2LAWJET Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:44pm EDT"Dear Woody Please Call Keyshawn"
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:10pm EDT"Uncle Joe i do agree about Revis, he made some mistakes by out there, playing the ball instead of the WR, the game against the Browns, u couldnt help that pass, the Colts run that play all the time, but the good new about Revis is that QBs wont throw his way much because they think the other CBs are weak and Rhodes is on his side too."
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Marshala Said:
Sun, August 24, 2008 - 12:28am EDT"Glitz and glamour are not always the best indicator of potential. Raymond has the ability and persistence that will allow him to be a great player. I am happy that the Jets saw his potential and have invested in his growth. He will definitely be an asset to this squad. Just give him time to continue to grow to his greatness."
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