Garner Ready to Give It the Old College Try
Published: Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:57am EST
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Mike Tannenbaum, Eric Mangini, Darren McFadden, Bill Callahan, Peter King, Nate Garner, Felix Jones
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05/05 — Nate Garner was a big man on campus, both at the Jets' Hofstra University training complex during the weekend's rookie minicamp and at the University of Arkansas last season.
His BMOC status with the Jets was strictly a physical observation: The seventh-round tackle from Arkansas checked in a 6'6" and 326 pounds. He was the second-largest player of the 57 (six draft picks, 10 undrafted free agents, 34 tryouts, seven first-year Jets) at the mini, trailing only Idaho State DL tryout Viliami Akoteu, who tipped the scales at 340.
Garner was en route to lunch when I caught up with him in the Jets locker room Saturday. He was asked what his actual weight was.
"Yeah, from 320 to 330, right around there," he said. "My weight fluctuations quite a bit. I'd like to play around 328."
Of course, at that size, you wouldn't expect Garner to be fast, and he's not. But he is definitely strong enough and determined enough, as his rise through the ranks on his other campus, UA, demonstrated.
He played all four seasons for the Razorbacks, finally became the RT starter as a senior, and was a central player for the Darren McFadden/Felix Jones-led ground attack, Division I-A's fourth-best at 286.5 yards a game.
"It was awesome playing at Arkansas last season," Garner said. "Darren and Felix are both great running backs, good to block for. They read the holes real well and they just get down the field. Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile."
I asked him if Arkansas was a right-handed offense and if that dynamic duo ran past his blocks quite frequently, and he declined to pat himself on the back.
But the evidence suggests they did. Garner led the Hogs in knockdown blocks and he got a career-best and team-season-high 18 KDs in Arkansas' November win over Mississippi State, for which he received Southeastern Conference Offensive Lineman of the Week honors. After the season he was named All-SEC third team.
Garner was not invited to the NFL Combine, but he had already attracted the Jets' interest. GM Mike Tannenbaum was reported to be at Arkansas' pro day, presumably to check out McFadden, and Garner received a predraft invitation to the team's Long Island complex.
"I just came in here on a visit and talked to the coaches," he said. "I really enjoyed being up here. They have great coaches. Coach Mangini is an awesome guy."
Also awesome: Bill Callahan, the new assistant head coach/offense who guided the rookie O-linemen through the weekend.
"It's very exciting. Coach Callahan is a great coach. He knows how to motivate, knows how to explain things," Garner said. "He's going to teach me a lot of stuff. I just have to get in there and try to improve every week."
As for on the field, Garner and the rest of the linemen didn't really stand out in the two narrow media windows available to watch practices. But you know how it is, especially with Mike T and his draft team. Seventh-rounders can be merely camp fodder, but they could also be diamonds in the rough.
Garner's not bragging or predicting. But he seems to be in a good place on this next campus in his life.
"It's a great situation to be in, I think," he said.
Some SI Love for the Jets
Sports Illustrated's Peter King has come in on his Monday Morning Quarterback with a thoughtful as always, no doubt controversial ranking of the NFL's teams from 1 to 32 heading toward training camps.
Controversial because PK places New England and Indianapolis in the "Ho-Hum Section" at 1 and 2 respectively, then follows up with Jacksonville at 3, Dallas at 4, San Diego — which defeated the Colts at Indy in the playoffs — at 5, and the Super Bowl-champion Giants at 6. Wow.
And after much off-season thought, King seems to have come over to the side of the pundits who are impressed with the job the Jets have done. He rhetorically asks in his preamble what's changed in the NFL's power structure, then answers: "Not much, other than the rise of Jacksonville, Carolina and the Jets."
He proceeds to rank the Green & White at 14, right behind the No. 13 Bills. Among his observations: "This year the Jets should have three sacks a game, easy" based on the drafting of LB/DE Vernon Gholston, the free agency signing of LB Calvin Pace and the trade for DT Kris Jenkins.
Forty-eight sacks? That would be the most since the Sack Exchange's last hurrah, a 49-sack season in 1985 led by Mark Gastineau's 13.5. We shall see.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (69)Russell Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 2:34pm EST"Randy, I don't understand why the JETS selected Garner. With Ferguson and Woody the starters and Oldenburg and Hunter the reserves, a tackle shouldn't have been that necessary. With the JETS 7th round pick, I wanted them to take ILB E.Henderson of Maryland and groom him to be Barton's replacement. Also, did the JETS sign Hank Poteat yet? I think he'll start opposite Revis at the CB position."
SteveS Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 2:37pm EST"Funny thing about that sack exchange - Mangini should ask Faneca how it felt to give up 7 sacks in one game (let alone against the jets), thats just a preveiw for this coming year - "3 a game" should be a nice nickname for Gohlston."
MikeMc Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:12pm EST"Who cares what peter king thinks, but he's right the Jets will be causing alot of commotion in opponents backfield this year. I hope for Brady's sake he is on the treadmill right now because he will be doin' some runnin' this year. King could use a little treadmill time too."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:41pm EST"I cant deny the line up, our front seven suddenly looks impose, having Ellis, Jenkins, Coleman,Pace, Barton, Harris,Gholston. Thats imposing, our only hole is the opposite side of Revis, but maybe Lowery & the others can pick up the slack. Man! not trying to get too hyped, keepin it in perspective"
Ira Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:55pm EST"Randy, Wow King showed the Jets some respect. Watch how all of these guys start to jump on the Jets bandwagon now. Like i have said anything less then 9-7 i would be surprised. Its a long way off but smell a scent of some Jets football being played this January. GO JETS!!!!"
James Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:08pm EST"Ira, are you the guy who calls up WFAN to Joe and Evan all the time?? I love your dedication to the Jets, and the fact you go to road games as well.. I am a 23 year old Jets die-hard like yourself, and wish more Jets fans hit the road... I go to all home games, but last year toke the trip to Buffalo and Miami... we need more of you Jets fans to come along and route on the Jets..."
James Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:13pm EST"Ira, to follow up on my initial comment... I would love to talk Jets football with you sometime... I have so many questions and comments for you.. feel free to email me at james.parady@yahoo.com so we can get in contact... thanks!"
James Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:19pm EST"Randy, why do you think the Jets traded up for Keller if they have Baker and Franks?? I thought that they needed a play making WR, and thats why they traded up. The Bills picked that WR in the 2nd round that I thought the Jets were eyeing... I guess I'm just confused with that pick... we desperately need a play maker on offense!"
Brian Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:25pm EST"Whoa, slow down everyone. Let's not forget this our Jets here, which means you can never predict what's going to happen. Not to mention, we're still gonna have the same issue of the defense being on the field the whole game as we still have no QB and no playmaker on offense!"
Damone Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:26pm EST"We have 3 first round OLB's.What should we do about B.Thomas??Does anybody have a suggestion.He's being paid too much to be a backup!!"
mark Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:28pm EST"I see that Mcmackin is the only guy to be signed after the camp. Is this to say that no one else will recieve a signage? If they are at a 80 man max before this camp....who is to be released?"
Randy Lange Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:08pm EST"mark, it was announced when G Shawn McMackin signed that two undrafted free agents, C Brett Byford and CB Al Phillips, were waived. The Jets' roster at the moment is at 79 players."
Damone Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:38pm EST"Hey Brian,lets see how our QB's look with a better O- line."
Jesse Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:25pm EST"James, there was no WR picked in the 1st rd. why do you think that is? Maybe because there was no #1 WR in the draft! If you have any questions about D.Keller check out some of his highlights on youtube! I thought since the beginning of the draft he was #1 receiver. B.Franks was picked up for blocking and special teams and C.Baker is not a playmaker! D.Keller is that playmaker!"
Pete Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:39pm EST"Wow, I'm surprised the Jets were ranked that high. Everybody is more optimistic than me and I hope I am wrong. Just show me we can control the LOS and I will believe. I have more confidence in the O-line right now than our defense. It is difficut to stop the run with the 3-4 and I hope THESE players buy in as we got rid of half the D. Can Pace, Gholston, and BT stop the run and rush?!"
Ira Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:39pm EST"Its amazing how nobody even mentions Stuckey. This guy can play and i feel if healthy will give the Jets that speedy WR. Also in the mix is Davis and Clowney but i think Stuckey will be the guy. Henry gives them a big tall WR thats been missing since Keyshawn. And Keller will open up the field like Shuler, Mitchell, Caster and Barkum did. This has the potential to be a very good offense."
Ira Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:44pm EST"No playmakers and no QB? Give me a break. Cotchery owns the Pats with big plays and Leon can score from anywhere on the field. Keller will become one of those big time playmakers and if Baker is on this team still has the best pair of hands with his great catches. As for the QB's Chad is still in the top half of QB's in the league and Clemens we just don't know yet. Both get a pass from last year."
Jim Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:50pm EST"There was no Moss or Rice in the draft this year. Keller was a pretty good looking option due to his speed/hands at his position. The JETS had such a huge hole in protection, we never saw what was possible. Baker is trying to exploit this. We're no longer a leaky dam, the TE can do anything we ask him to these days. Baker picked the wrong time to be greedy."
Charles F Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:59pm EST"When I saw that the Jets picked N.Garner for there last pick I was a little bummed. Then I saw a picture of him and the guy is like the hulk. lol That's the kind of size we need on the oline. I have a feeling if this guy works out good in training camp Mangini will put him on the line somewhere. All the draft picks are looking good and I can't wait to see how Gang Green plays this year. Go JETS #1"
George Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:17pm EST"The Sack Exchange was the greatest D-line ever! Gastineau and Klecko should be in the Hall of Fame!"
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:59pm EST"IRA, i do mention stuckey, these guys forget, and BRIAN is right, you guys get Hyped up about this team who hasnt won the BIG ONE in 40 years. I love my JETS to DEATH but im realistic about them too. We're in the AFC guys, 11-5 makes you a wild card team, ASK JACKSONVILLE."
Drew Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:00pm EST"Ira.. The reason Stucky gets no love is he is never on the field. I know you really like this kid (as do I) but he is always injured. I would love for him to get in the slot and be our Wes Welker but I have little confidence he can stay healthy. Some guys just have bad luck. I hope he is not one of them"
Drew Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:09pm EST"Still can't believe that P King gave the Jets a "little" respect. He usually has the Frank or Pete optimistic feeling towards the Jets. I know they doubt the 3-4 and Mangini but this defense and team can win games. It took some time but I think the pieces are finally in place....Couldnt have said it better than Jim on why we went and got Keller. For all that question it read Jim 8:50pm post. Nice!"
zartan Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:32am EST"i dont know how good he'll be but Erik Ainge has that IT factor.he has a presence, that says, come with me i get you to where your going.Chad has some and Kellen has none.Hope Chad starts the season,although i know he will but i hope Ainge is his backup."
metsjetsastoriaOG's Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:48am EST"well, looks like a whole new team, lets hope they can shock tha world this year....ill be happy if they beat the Patsies both games tell you tha truth....the division would be sweeter...."
GIOVANNI Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:49am EST"KELLER WAS A GREAT PICK UP FOR THE JETS,I WILL BET HE WILL CATCH AT LEAST 50+ AND AT LEAST 800 YARDS,BIG GUY WHIT GREAT HANDS,RUNS GREAT RAOUTS AND THEY WILL HAVE TO COVER HIM WHIT A CORNER,NO LB WILL BE ABLE TO STAY WHIT HIM,WE HAVE,SHOCKEY TIPE OF A PLAYER YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LOVE HIM,MARTY LOVES TO USE TWO TE,NOW HE HAS THE RIGTH GUYS FOR HIS SCEMES,AND CHAD WILL WIN THE QB JOB,LETS GO JETS.."
Damone Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:11am EST"OK Randy,since no one has answered my question about Bryan Thomas,i'll ask you.If you can answer the question,please tell me what should the team do with Thomas.We have Pace and Gholston but B.Thomas is getting paid to be a starter.How are we supposed to get all three of them on the field at the same time.Do you think we will try to trade him.We have 3 1st RD OLB's??Nobody has brought this up!! "
Randy Lange Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:38am EST"Damone, that's not a question I can answer, either, although keep in mind that with personnel rotations in the base and 20-30 plays a game in the sub, there are a lot of LB reps to be had. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:16am EST"The Jet O blocking will be much better this year but we need Keller to step up & be that TE that commands coverage from a saftey cause he is to fast for LB'S to cover this way our WR'S are not double teamed on every play by the safteys cause they are watching out for Keller this will allow big plays in the passing game start Kellen & teams will have to respect the deep ball & it will help the run"
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:01am EST"Damone, depending on B. Thomas's camp, he might start, but he is getting paid to much not to they will rotate him and guys might not earn a roster spot. But i understand your concern after that 07, competition might be just what he needs. JIM was on the money with the post."
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:06am EST"And for all those Nit pickin Jetfans...i dare you guy to post at least 3 postive thing about what your team has done in the offseason, and what did they do good in 07 seaso that you like."
Ira Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:31pm EST"Damone, Thomas will rebound and have a better year. They will rotate Gholston like they did Harris last year and i can see Gholston starting by the middle of the year. Like Randy said you can't have enough LB's when you play a 3-4. Maybe they line Thomas up at DE and out Gholston at OLB and the other way around.They should be able to move these guys around enough to cause lots of matchup problems."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:46pm EST"Damone & Cedric I think there is a chance B Thomas gets cut June 1 depending on his cap hit he got benched last year for Bowens & Gholston is the future & best case he splits time with Gholston & the Jets hope he has a good year so they can trade him at the end of next year if he has a bad year he will be cut at the end of the season 4 sure I think B Thomas days as a Jet are numbered"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 1:24pm EST"Ira & Zartan 1st Zartan what it factor does Chad have the get hurt every year it factor ? & you can tell me after 6 games Kellen does not have it ? 2nd to both of you guys if we start Chad the additions of Faneca Woody Richardson & Keller will help us only half as much as they could have cause we will have a QB who can not go deep in Chad Kellen can go deep & has upside which Chad does not have "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:02pm EST"If we start Chad our running game will suffer cause teams will stack the box to stop the run knowing that Chad can not beat them deep & our passing game will suffer cause teams DB'S will play our WR'S tight knowing we are not going to throw the ball deep & they can man them up on the short routes balls are picked, batted down or our WR is hit the 2nd he catches it we need the threat to go deep "
Ira Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:15pm EST"Tom, Yes Clemens gives them a dimension that Chad doesn't but Chad also gives them things that Clemens hasn't shown he can yet. And i know all about people's comments about Chad's arm. Sure he has his limitations but those 36 yd and 57 yd TD throws to LC vs the Bengals didn't look too bad to me. And even though it was in 1/05 that 47 yd TD to Moss vs the Chargers with a torn cuff wasn't that bad."
Row Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 3:26pm EST"IMO the jets put Stuckey on ir so they wouldn't have to release him. I've yet to hear what injury he or Justin Miller had. For Ced, I like the O line moves, and the Tony R. pickup. He led blocked for AP. I have a hard time finding where he will fit in Schott's system, because they released our fullback last year stating they couldn't find a place for him. I thought it would be in the I formation!"
Dunnie Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 3:32pm EST"Hey Spicer ... I have been lurking for the past two/three days ...but I had to respond to your question about the Chad "It factor" ... One thing that Chad does VERY well is pass deep over the middle ... guess who is going to be there ... keller ... nough said ?? thought so. Kellen really bummed me out last year .. showed nothing."
Ira Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:05pm EST"The signing of Poteat was expected after they didn't draft a CB early. Lowery will earn his time but Poteat should be that starter opposite Revis. The entire secondary will benefit from the improved front 7 and the improved pass rush they will get."
NorCalJet Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:23pm EST"Why ? keeping Chad. If Mangini did not see him as valuable to the O, he would of cut Chad and his contract. We'll have to see who starts, but no one can deny his veteran experiece and leadership qualities. For all we know, Mangini sat Chad last year to keep his future QB from being crushed and gave Clemens some experience. Let the coaches decide on our starter. All I care about is Jets wins!!!"
Damone Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:34pm EST"Tom Spicer,what do you mean Thomas splits time with Gholston.C.Pace is getting paid more than B.Thomas and we guaranteed him millions.He is supposed to be 1 of our OLB's. "
Frank Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:39pm EST"Enough with the hypotheticals things will play out on the field soon enough. Drew and Jim stop being so naieve Tangini must take care of Baker since Franks hasn't played a full season in three years and is a question mark. Keller is a receiver first and TE second. Baker is the most complete TE we have that we can count on. This is the same stupity they displayed in handling Kendall."
Frank Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:44pm EST"Right Dunnie the "one" good thing about Chad last year was all those ridiculous 4th Qtr. Int's he threw last year and the games he gave away in the 4th Qtr. when good QB's shine. Clemens struggled but displayed significantly more poise in the 4th Qtr. than Chad. He won more games should have won 2 others and took a beating in his first year. Clemens deserves to be named the starter."
zartan Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:58pm EST"TOM SPICER,im not a fan of Chad or Kellen.The it factor that Chad has is that it factor when you loved him when he was leading us to playoff games.and i said he had SOME.when the line was holding for Kellen he didnt make any plays that said hes the man for us,fact of the matter is the result of the jury still being out on him.Chad can make any throw,he tries too hard to make the perfect pass."
mark Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 6:45pm EST"I saw where there is a full squad mini camp in one month. I thought there were many of these full squad camps? If so how many and are these open to the public or is it just the training camp in July?"
Randy Lange Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:09pm EST"There is generally only one full-squad minicamp per team, mark. The Jets' full-squad minicamp is not open to the public. Their training camp in late July is open to the public."
Pete Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:23pm EST"I just finished watching Jets nation and it appears that Ray Lucas feels a lot like Frank and myself. I hope we are all wrong. 3 good off season moves. #1 Thank God we resigned Rhodes, might have pushed me over the edge. #2 Needed to sign Faneca. It's a shame we made a LG highest paid lineman in NFL history, but O-line was that bad! #3 love Gholston, too bad we wasted all that money on BT."
Pete Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:26pm EST"I can't think of a sinlge thing I liked in '07. Should have started KC much earlier so we know what we have in him. BT isn't going anywhere. Tangini paid him because he was the ONLY player to imrpove in and embrace the 3-4. He just isn't that good and never has been. Gholston may not be an every down player and BT and Gholston can both play with their hand down as a DE in nickel and dime packages."
Pete Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:36pm EST"I would really like to see Jenkins and Ellis at DT and BT and Gholston at DE on passing downs. I don't know who will play LB on third down as nobody can really cover a RB or a TE. That was Vilma's job (sigh). If Tangini looks to get rid of BT now, he will just prove his own incompetence. He is married to the 3-4 and anyone that embraces it. It is very difficult to implement and hurts guys stats."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:51pm EST"Damone I mean Pace starts on 1 side & Thomas & Gholston split plays on the other"
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:57pm EST"Spicer, i agree with you, I think Kellen has the IT Factor, the IT factor was shown vs Baltimore & Pittsburgh, thats when i saw it, U guys cant judge him off of 6 games, we can judge Chad cuz off 5 or more imcomplete seasons, we are limted with Chad, i watched him in camp, he's not even as atheltic as Kellen. We know what chad is capable of, in my opinion its not enough anymore, i hope im wrong"
Damone Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:00pm EST"Hey Ira,you and i both know despite last year,Hank poteat as a starting cornerback??Come on,he shouldn't be starting for any NFL team.Now i'm not saying he's not a good football player who's getting smarter,but if J.Miller doesn't earn that spot,i'm gonna be upset.I hope Miller steps his game up.Lowery should kill in zone defenses. "
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:06pm EST"How well do you expect a 1 time starter to perform with no O line that cant run or pass block, you have to assume he's working hard on his accuracy, descision making & condition & both QBs know about the competition so they have to be working hard to be the starter."
Damone Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:08pm EST"Hey Ira,I know, that you know, deep down that Hank Poteat shouldn't be a starter for "ANY" NFL team.If J.Miller doesn't step up and earn that spot,i will be upset. Yes,Hank did step up last year,but do you really believe after all these years and all those teams, Poteat is "just now" ready to be a starting CB in the NFL!?Dwight Lowery should do major damage in zone defenses!!Talk to me Ira."
Damone Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:13pm EST"Sorry Tom, i read your comment wrong.I AGREE best case he splits time with Gholston. "
Drew Said:
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:06pm EST"Frank.... There is a huge difference between Kendall and Baker. Kendall took a pay cut and was "promised" more money. The Jets gave Baker a pay raise (fronted money) last year. While I agree Baker is a good player he does not have the leverage that Coles or even what Kendall had last year..... I will agree again that Chad was a failure last year and it's Clemens time "
mark Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:10am EST"randy, one more full squad mini camp and then training camp in late july. what happens in between those two camps except for daily off season workouts?"
Randy Lange Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:51am EST"From now until the June 5-7 full-squad minicamp, the veterans participate in OTA (Organized Team Activity) sessions. After the minicamp, all players are on their own until training camp."
Ira Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:52am EST"Damone, Poteat is a hold the fort type of player. Hope Miller does step it up. he did in camp last year until he got hurt. Even though Barrett gets ripped he is OK. Coleman is best suited for nickel and Lowery is young and just might take that stop at some point. He might even player some safety. Even Law is still in the mix i hear. Bottom line get to the QB and the secondary will be fine."
Ira Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:56am EST"Frank, How about the improved defense for when Clemens took over that Chad didn't have? Think maybe they might have won a few of those earlier games then? Clemens does have poise in the 4th qts and that a good thing. This will make out to be an interesting competion in camp this summer. May the best man win. GO JETS!!!!"
Frank Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:33am EST"Drew your killing me. I went though this litany once before. Tangini created this mess by not having a clear policy. Kendall deserved a raise, Coles and B. Moore absolutely did not and Rhodes did. They started this stupid process of re-upping guys. As for the Kendall analogy I was suggesting a repeat of the ugliness and disruption it's going to continue to create. Baker also says he was "promised""
Frank Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:16am EST"Ira what does the improved defense have to do with Chad blowing games and having the with the worst 4th Qtr. rating in the league last year. Chad is an extremely limited QB who functions in a small offensive window. He has struggled to score points his entire career do your remember? Every year we are blaming the O- Coordinator since the Hackett days he is average at best. He lacks big play...."
Frank Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:22am EST"...or quick strike ability or mobility. He cannot operate outside his window. Mangini will make another huge blunder if he does not tailor the offense to Clemens ability. Having Clemens function in an offense geared to Chad would be foolish and along the same lines as the dumb personel moves made last 2 seasons playing people out of postion and not to their strengths. Good coaches understand this"
Frank Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:30am EST"One more thing Ira you mentioned 3 of Chad's best throws in the last few seasons. The same amount Brady, Manning, Favre and a few others throw in one game. Stop trying to defend Chad who is the weakest armed QB in the league. I recall seeing Cotchery who I love by the way, drop a perfectly thrown 60 yard in the air pass from Clemens in the Chiefs game remember that? "
Ira Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:13pm EST"Frank, Heading into last year 31-22 career regular season record and 7th ALL-TIME in QB rating {89.3} is not to bad. Not to take anything away from Clemens but lets see what these 2 guys to head to head this summer."
Frank Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:33pm EST"Come on Ira now I feel like I'm debating Drew. What are Chad's numbers after last year...very ordinary. So you don't want last year to count? You and everyone else who wants Chad is missing the point. It's time to move on and change the offense. Look at the offense since Chad is the QB it's all been geared to him. The offense needs to reflect Clemens or it's more of the same for this year."
Drew Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:05pm EST"Ira... I hate to admit it but I agree with Frank on Chad. The biggest thing Chad brought to the table was not making mistakes. Until last year when he made a ton of game changing mistakes. I like and repect Chad and would really like to agree with you but it is time to close the book on #10......As usual Frank does take a shot at my boy Mangini with his "good coaches" comment but I agree on Chad."
Alan Said:
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:41pm EST"I hope they signed Poteat for Depth , The jets have had hidden gems in theyre 4th round picks lately and i think Dwight Lowery is going to continue that, ive watched his tape and hes a good player, i also like Miller, but seriously weve gotten Leon and Rhodes in the 4th round. we got gems out of them and i think lowery is a gem too."
Frank Said:
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:34am EST"OK hold on...I better re-evaluate what I said....Drew agrees with me. Geezzzz what's this world turning into."
Row Said:
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:27pm EST"I feel the number one problem on offense last year was our OC. Everyone on the radar made a comment on play calls. IMO Kellen did what he could with what he had ie 3 yard out patterns when we needed 7 for a first down. Throwing the ball on first down for a 2 yard completion, and running a draw on second down. We were all calling for Clemens when we were 1-6, we cheered when Chad went out!!! "
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JOHNNYJET Said:
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 2:06pm EST"THE NEW YORK SACK EXCHANGE IS MAKING A COMEBACK!!!!"
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