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File Under: Chad Pennington, Wayne Chrebet, Jets Giants, playoff reseeding, league meetings
03/29 — The NFL's competition committee is set to present playoff reseeding at next week's league meetings in Florida, and on the face of it, it seems like a good idea: Give the wild-card team the home field in a wild-card matchup if it has the better record than its division-winning opponent.
Seems like. But let's not fix something that's slightly broken and make it more broken.
The most pressing reason to consider reseeding is to improve the Week 17 matchups, to prevent teams from "going through the motions" and benching starters when they can do nothing to change their playoff status.
Such was the case with Tampa Bay in January. The 9-6 Buccaneers couldn't move past Seattle into the NFC's third seed and couldn't lose the NFC South title. They were the four-seed, so they rested several starters and coasted through a 31-23 home loss to 6-9 Carolina and into a home playoff game with the 10-6 Giants.
Pittsburgh could have improved its seeding from fourth to third with a win over Baltimore and a San Diego loss in Week 17. Still, the Steelers knew they had the AFC North and a home game sewn up, lost at Baltimore, 27-21, and settled for 10-6 and a Heinz Field date with 11-5 Jacksonville.
(Seattle also fell into this category. The Seahawks were the NFC West champs but were locked into the three-seed before losing to the 4-11 Falcons, 44-41. However, they presumably would not have been affected by reseeding.)
First point: This has been a "problem" only since 2002, when the NFL realigned to eight four-team divisions. From 1978-2001, when the league had three division champs and two or (since 1990) three wild cards per conference, there were no first-round matchups in which a wild-card team had a better record than its division-winning host opponent. None.
Since 2002, there have been five such matchups:
| Season | Wild Card, 5th Seed | Div. Winner, 4th Seed | Score |
| 2002 | Indianapolis (10-6) | JETS (9-7) | JETS, 41-0 |
| 2003 | Tennessee (12-4) | Baltimore (10-6) | Titans, 20-17 |
| 2005 | Jacksonville (12-4) | New England (10-6) | Patriots, 28-3 |
| 2007 | N.Y. Giants (10-6) | Tampa Bay (9-7) | Giants, 24-14 |
| 2007 | Jacksonville (11-5) | Pittsburgh (10-6) | Jaguars, 31-29 |
Notice something? In all these games, the wild-card team either won or else lost big. No evidence here that if a wild-card team with a better record had a home game, the outcome would have been different.
I bring this up specifically because of what reseeding would have done to the Jets in 2002. The Green & White certainly weren't going through the motions at the end of that season. They needed every win they could get — plus a fantastic finish in the New England-Miami game — to set up their Week 17 home game with Green Bay, which they then needed to win to reach the playoffs.
Behind Chad Pennington and Wayne Chrebet, they crushed the Packers, 42-17. Then, as the 9-7 wild-card hosts, they muzzled Peyton Manning's 10-6 Colts, 41-0, in a glorious day at the Meadowlands.
And that glorious day would have been lost by reseeding. Probably the Jets would've won at the RCA Dome, but not by as much, then lost the following week at Oakland, just as they did. But the unintended consequence of reseeding would have been to take a home playoff game away from the Jets, who played hard every game down the stretch.
One more thread on reseeding: If the Giants had upset the Patriots in Week 17, they would've finished 11-5. Is the NFL prepared to seed an 11-5 wild card third ahead of two division titlists, as could've happened in the NFC if the rule were in effect this past season? Then Big Blue would've wound up hosting sixth-seeded Washington. Is that too much benefit for a WC?
This year's Giants go against all the reasons for reseeding. They went all out when they "didn't have to" in trying to unseat the undefeated Patriots to end the regular season, then won three road games and the Super Bowl rematch with the Pats. Just as this year's Bucs and Seahawks are arguments for reseeding, the Giants — and the '02 Jets — are arguments against it.
Yes, reseeding would likely eliminate an 8-8 division winner from getting a home playoff game, but that just doesn't happen all that much. The only team since the 1970 merger to win its division at 8-8 was the 1985 Browns.
I'm not saying reseeding is a bad idea, just that it shouldn't be a slam-dunk. It's like installing a rug — tug on one area to get it neatly into a corner and a bulge may pop up somewhere else. Just as the league has correctly (IMO) resisted changing its overtime format to the flawed "extra innings" football-lite structure that colleges and high schools use these days, perhaps this is another case where the status should remain quo.
Your thoughts on this subject or any other one that's expected to be brought up at the league meetings are, as always, welcome.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (42)Frank Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 2:37pm ET"As a football fan re-seeding makes alot of sense and should be implemented. First and foremost it makes the entire 17 week season relevant and every game counts. Personally I love to watch games at the end of the season with playoff implications and this will create more intrigue. For that reason alone it should be implemented. Wouldn't Giant fans have wanted one home game during last year's run?"
Ira Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 2:39pm ET"Randy, Good chart as always you're the master. I am against reseeding and they should just leave it the way it is. I feel that if you clinch your division heading into week 17 then its up to the coach to do what he wants with his team. And that they're even looking at long hair it reminds me of the 60's and parents who were against it. The NFL has more important issues to worry about. "
MikeMc Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 2:57pm ET"Randy, I respectfully disagree with you on reseeding.Wins do mean everything with only 16 games and every team playing a different strength of schedule. A team in a weak division that wins by default is not worthy of that home game. The patriots were a great example going 16-0 say the dolphins won 12 and the titans won 8 ? Reward the best teams of the year,regardless of division!"
Hogan Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 3:42pm ET"Howard, you just made an argument for the proposal and said you were against it. Whitch one is it?"
Hogan Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 3:45pm ET"Randy I am usally with ya but...The giants only played to the fullest because of NE's record,and you can not disagree with a rule that makes sence just because it benefits or has benefited your team. Thats just one guys opinion."
Ira Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 6:50pm ET"Another issue they should look into is the play review rules. They really need to look at how college does it. So many pass interference calls are called wrong. If it went upstairs it could be handled better. All plays should be subject to review. Frank If the Giants had had a home game they probably would have lost. I believe they were 3-5 at home last year."
Frank Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 8:06pm ET"Ira, the Giants maybe losing is pure conjecture on your part and has nothing to do with the issue. Keeping all 17 weeks relevant from a football fan's perspective is important as well as the health of the league and the integrity of the games. I am sure fans feel cheated both at the stadium and on the tube when they have paid to see the stars play not the scrubs."
D.RAZZ Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 9:02pm ET"Leave it as it is. If coaches can't see that resting healthy players takes the team out of it's rythym and that taking a winning attitude into the playoffs adds momentum, let their fans take it up with them. As the trend seems to show, it does not work out well. If nothing else, NFL coaches pay attention to trends. Hopefully it will take care of itself."
Alex Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 10:06pm ET"I am also opposed to reseeding. It stands to reward teams who beat up on opponents in a weak division; a 10-6 team in a tough division is likely to be better than an 11-5 team in a lightweight division. I also agree with the other arguments made on this thread."
Ira Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 10:57pm ET"Frank, Its just one's opinion and i agree with you the prices if tixs are getting out of hand all around the league. I still feel its up to the coach on what to do. It's easy to second quess but if Eli was hurt the Giants wouldn't have even beat the Bucs."
jAsOn Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 12:26am ET"I disagree. Making the nfl more competitive down the stretch could not be a bad thing."
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 12:49am ET"Ok, the only reason i would be against the reseeding is because winning the division is very tough, no matter how bad a team is, division games are tough because the opponents know you so well. However teams who play hard 16games do deserve a reward for it, fans watch scrubs in preseason, not week 16,17. Randy, u talk about the past, but this may help the Jets in the future, so dont knock yet."
joe b Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 9:42am ET"Any team with a playoff chance would have to charge the fans by mid Nov. A wild card can have the 2nd best record in football. I own 3 seats and playoff tix are almost double regular games. No refund it's put toward next years tix. We have to pay for preseason, now this. I've been a ticket holder since 1965. Now I may have to buy rights to buy MY tix. NFL wins Fans lose. No fan loyalty in NFL."
Frank Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 9:52am ET"As for the Hair issue I really do hope they outlaw it. The reason the NFL is so successful besides labor peace is the culture it has created another words the anti-NBA. They have kept the league out of the drug and gang culture the same one all these players have said the survived to get to the NFL. For the same reason they banned those stupid TD celebrations which is football is..."
Frank Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:02am ET"...first and foremost a team sport. Just like jewlry, tatoo's, TD celebrations, strutting around and other stupid displays of showmanship are attempts by players to say "look at me." When it is the whole teams collective effort that makes that player look good. The hair situation is the same this is another attempt at individualism and taking away from the team concept. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:43am ET"Drew I looked at all other NFL teams that play the 3-4 Cards, Pitt, Chargers, Pats, Ravens the tallest starting DE on any of those teams is 6'5. Dorsey & Ellis are both 6'1 so what you are telling me is being 4 inches shorter than the tallest 3-4 DE in all the NFL makes them to short ? Kelly Greg Ravens 6' Castillo Chargers 6'3 I am sorry I have to disagree."
Ray Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 1:41pm ET"I like the old "if it ain't broke don't fix it" cliche. I feel over the last several years the nfl has installed more rules that take away from the game and this would be just one more unneccessary adjustment. The hair sounds lika an extention (no pun) of the uniform rule. You can't touch the qb, you can't tackle a guy from behind, can't touch a receiver after 5 yards. The NFL is overdoing it "
Ray Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 1:48pm ET"I disagree that every play needs to be reviewed, the game stops enough already, if we let them look at every play the games will last 5 hours and become more boring than baseball. I like the review as is. I like doing away with the 5 yard facemask. Quit babying the qbs, give 10 yards to hit the receiver and if a guy is free down the sideline and all you can do is grab his collar, tackle him."
scjoe Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:10pm ET"Randy, I believe you can make an argument either way on the seeding issue. It would vary from year to year and from circumstance to circumstance, but I will say that it did work out well for the Jets in 2002. I do agree however that the final result would have been exactly the same for them that year."
zartan Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"IFyour going to make these changes,theres no point to Divison or confrence.Adulf Frank, jobs have a right to set a standerd.but you speak of only prodmnt black sports only.what about the long hair guys in baseball,hockey or what have you. 3 guys that i can think n the nfl have long hair(That Shows) stop fearing diff while you go on setting a high standerd of life is the way any sport should go."
Drew Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 8:44pm ET"Spicer... I am glad you put in some work on this but when all of the 6'5+ tackles in the NFL are pushing our little short DE's to the floor every play you will then say....maybe the rest of the league (and Drew) knows what they are talking about. I understand the thought of putting D-Rob or the 2 players you like outside...it just dosent work."
Frank Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 9:00pm ET"Hey Zartan, the last I checked the MLB players and Hockey guys are not wearing hair extensions. I also believe Johnny Damon cut his hair to play for the Yankees. But I will give to you that MLB is just as bad as the NBA with the lack of discipline and no leadership from the league executives. I don't watch hockey so I have no idea what's up there. If they want long hair then pony tail and tuck it."
howard Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 9:56pm ET"hogan i know what i said im against reseeding let it be the way it is div winners get the home field if a team wants home field win your div.that is what makes you want to win and i just hate when coaches rest players im not there to see back ups.if they're hurt its 1 thing but to just not play the stars so the can rest for the playoffs no way.i work to hard to make my pay.they get paid tp play"
Dunnie Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:57pm ET"Reseeding ... I think they need to leave the seeding as is unless they change the scheduling rules. Teams should not be forced to play the teams in their division twice if the seeding is not based on division winners. In order to promote an even playing field teams will have to play more in other divisions. I hope this is making sense. =)"
Ira Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 7:28am ET"Good story by Myers today in the Daily News. This team needs stability and Woody gave it to Mr. T and Eric. These two guys are probably the hardest working people in the NFL and they have a plan. Woody will let them build this team into a Super Bowl winner. Way to go Woody. GO JETS!!!!!!"
Drew Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:11am ET"Let them wear their hair as long as they want. I loved seeing long haired guys getting their hair pulled while being tackled.....It amazes me that some people thought if Tangini struggles this year they are gone? Funny thing is that Myers was the one who stated that Tangini was desperate in thier moves to save their jobs?? ....Opening day at the Stadium....Yankee baseball boys!!!!"
ablity Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:25am ET"that makes allot of sense Dunnie and plus some divisions are harder than others and a maybe a second place wildcard team maybe have a better record then a divivsion winner because of they easy wins, and plus it will take away the fun and exicement of division revial game"
Terence Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:32am ET"How about the year the Jets played the Raiders in the last game of the season and beat them. They both ended with the same record but since the raiders won their division the playoff game was in Oakland. With the head to head win it would have been a Jets home game."
Ira Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:57am ET"Drew, Myers brings out a good point about Matt Ryan who i feel the Jets do like but i would be shocked if they took him. I do agree with Myers on the Flacco possibilty in the 2nd rd if he is still available. Does anybody here feel the Jets should take Ryan or any other QB in the 1st rd?"
Mike Mc Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 11:19am ET"Ira, I did not see that story by Myers are you telling us tannenbaum and Mangini got the contract extensions they deserve? I am tired of hearing talk radio saying Tan-Gini are signing these free agents to save their jobs. That they are not looking towards the long term ."
Tom Spicer Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 11:44am ET"Drew sorry the rest of the NFL does not see that please tell Louis Castillo Chargers one of the best 3-4 DE'S in the league that he is to short at 6'3 than tell Glenn Dorsey @ 6'1 7/8 that he can not play that spot as long as you have the speed & the bulk it doesnt matter. To add to this I recall the biggest thing they said about Robertson was that he was so fast for a 300 lb guy "
ira Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 11:53am ET"Randy, I dont know about you but after watching the McFadden Clip on the homepage, I was not overly impressed. We have a solid and crowded backfield as is, so sorry fellow fans but we will be fine "sans" McFadden. I do have a strong feeling we are going to get that tall WR we desperately need. Still hoping Hardy will be available at 2.6. Go Jets"
Frank Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 12:55pm ET"Gee that was real enlightening by Woody. If there is no pressure to perform and if Tangini doesn't perform well this year they are automatically coming back THEN WHY DID YOU SIGN ALL THOSE FREE AGENTS! As Woody correctly said it takes time to build a winner then they should have done what I said clean house horde draft picks and build a team. Why sign Pace when you can draft Gohlston and so on."
David Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 1:03pm ET"Frank.....really? What about Joe Willie? He was the the penultimate NFL individual. I suppose next we should impose a 'shave the top of your head and comb your hair over' policy so that everyone will look like you. Besides, this is a narrow minded policy to begin with. These guys know their hair could be pulled but they are tough. Leave 'em alone Frank....geeeez."
Ira Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 1:24pm ET"Mike Mc, Myers didn't write that they got contract extensions but did write that Woody did say that neither would be fired no matter what happens this season. He was quoted as saying" absolutely'" both will be back for 2009. As for the FA signings very good moves that position them to be able to get what they need in the draft. never would be able to fill all their needs otherwise. GO JETS!!!!"
Ira Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 1:45pm ET"ira, I am concerned about Hardy's character issues. Wouldn't think they would draft somebody who has had some problems. Sure they will do a good background check on him if they're interested in him."
Drew Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 3:24pm ET"Spicer...lets leave at this. You gave me 1 guy at 6'3 that plays the 3-4 DE postion in the NFL. We tried to trade D-rob 2 x in the last month because they do not think he can play DE in the system. I wished these guys could play DE but they cannot. There is a reason its not an option and my explanation is the reason. If either Ellis or Dorsey is at 6 the jets will pass. And rightfully so"
Frank Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 3:36pm ET"Hey David, I have a mohawk (green one) and a goatee down to my chest. So what are you talking about?"
damone Said:
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 9:25am ET"Whoever thinks that d-rob,sedrick ellis or glenn dorsey can play and 3-4 DE just doesn't know football.They would get pushed down 90% of the time.Chris long doesn't fit our scheme either.He's too slow too play OLB and he doesn't weigh enough to play DE. "
mark Said:
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 7:47pm ET"My opinion on draft day is that our JETS need to select an impact player either side of the ball. I for one think they should take CB Rodgers-Cromartie we need more depth at CB and the kid is fast,agile, and is a ballhawk. Maybe I'm just a bit partial to CB's or to the kid but I think he's gonna be awesome and would love to see us get another stud on the outside to allow the defense to blitz more."
Keith Said:
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 2:53pm ET"I don't understand the opposition to changing OT rules. Give me one good reason not relating to "tradition". I'm not for or against the way college does it. I just don't like sudden death. I think each team should get the ball at least once during OT...note I'm not saying an equal number of times. I'm just saying at least once. "
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Howard Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 2:34pm ET"randy since i heard of this proposal i've been against it.i believe every team should always play to win.i'm absolutely agaist resting players who are not injured.fans pay a lot of money to see the stars not watch them sit.would jim irsay give back 40.00 a seat to his season ticket holders when t. dungey pulls p manning from the game or r wayne and other starters who are being 'rested' NO"
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