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03/24 — A few new mock drafts came in over the weekend, from two big-name NFL writers. And two new names were finally mentioned as possible landing spots for the Jets with their sixth overall pick.
Peter King, my good friend from Sports Illustrated and si.com, actually has a few Jets-related items in his Monday Morning Quarterback column, in particular commenting on the possibility of GM Mike Tannenbaum trading down and on one thing he likes about the signing of DT Kris Jenkins.
As for King's new name, he does a mini-mock of the top 10 picks in the draft and has the Jets taking ... Michigan OT Jake Long! As Peter says in explaining his scenario, Long "probably won't" last until No. 6, but "funny things happen in unpredictable drafts like this one."
Over at CBSSportsline.com, Pete Prisco doesn't do a full mock but rather predraft breakdown of the AFC East. One of his categories for each of the four division rivals is "Possible Prospects." For the Jets, Prisco mentions the usual suspects, Ohio State OLB Vernon Gholston and Arkansas RB Darren McFadden, but also a third name: Troy CB Leodis McKelvin.
If that were to come about, it would pair with last year's tradeup for Darrelle Revis to mark the first time ever that the Jets took first-round corners in back-to-back drafts. In fact, the Green & White have picked only five first-round DBs in their draft history:
| Year | Player | College | Overall |
| 1970 | CB Steve Tannen | Florida | 20th |
| 1973 | S Burgess Owens | Miami | 13th |
| 1984 | S Russell Carter | SMU | 10th |
| 1994 | CB Aaron Glenn | Texas A&M | 12th |
| 2007 | CB Darrelle Revis | Pitt | 14th |
We'll have our own snapshot of the AFC East for you, a two-part series by Real Football Services that will run Tuesday and Wednesday mornings.
Coles Checks In
Confirming stories in the New York Daily News and the Newark Star-Ledger, WR Laveranues Coles reported Monday to begin participating in the Jets' off-season strength and conditioning program.
Garvey Takes Flight Again
Early-bird followers of the Jets Flight Crew will be interested to know that Denise Garvey, the crew's director, is set to do a call-in interview with Scott and Todd on WPLJ-FM 95.5 at 6:50 a.m. Tuesday.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (105)Frank Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:16pm EDT"Saw the Peter King article this morning. If we land without trading up either of the Long's or Gohlston with our #6 we hit a home run. I hope Tangini trades up later in the 1st round for Kelly. It wouldn't suprise me if he is the first receiver chosen but he might slip a lttle if his hamstring isn't healed and he doesn't run well at his pro day. However, I wouldn't be scared off from that."
Will Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:24pm EDT"that would be nice if we got Leodis McKelvin and have 2 awesome cb's but we could get better talent at a more needed position of Lb in the 3-4 defense. Our run defense was 29th and 25th in total sacks, if we get gholston and along with pace that will get our sack total way up and all the pressure we put on the qb thats going to cause bad throws and now our interception total goes up"
SteveS Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:27pm EDT"Taking Leodis McKelvin would only make sense if the jets trade ut of their No.6 spot to around the 11 -13th pick. If Gohlston is avaliable the Jets must take him... even over McFadden. Putting Gohlson at ILB next to Harris at ILB (like Adalius Thomas who was a DE/OLB was moved to ILB) that would give the jets the best front 7...AND WITH GOHLSTON MANGINI CAN MIX UP THE PASS RUSH WITH ALL LB'S"
Will Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:28pm EDT"And if we trade up with Dallas for their first rounders then im saying we draft cb and wr otherwise we get gholston with the #6 and wr in 2nd and we can always get a good corner with our 4th, look at kerry rhodes hes one on the top safteys in the league."
Arctic Monkey Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:44pm EDT"If Vernon Gohston is still available at no.6 we should pick him, forget about a quarterback, we can address that need the year after and trade up for Teabow if he comes out."
TAtlas Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:48pm EDT"The Jets Definitely have to do defense but we can't score points without a legitimate Offense. I mean I have faith in Chad for one last run if thats the case. He has proven he can do what he has to when he has a line but at the same time I think its time they bring in a fresh start..Maybe Jets will take BOOTY..I'm a huge Jet fan and some new blood at that position with Chad's guidance will work"
Braeden Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:58pm EDT"This is a great draft all around, Jake Long would be great for us, so would McKelvin. But a name I havent heard much is Kenny Phillips. If Gholston, McFadden, and both Longs are off the board, the JETS have to grab him, a great fit for us and is you pair him with Kerry Rhodes, our D will be nasty. Hey Randy do you have Kenny Phillip's combine stats?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Braeden, according to NFLDraftScout.com, Miami FS Kenny Phillips ran a 4.48 in the 40 at the combine. He also ran a 6.97 three-cone drill and had a 32½" vertical jump, which he improved to 34" at his pro day."
Ira Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 4:09pm EDT"I agree with Frank and would like them to pick Kelly if they were to trade down. Nice to see King have a mock with McKelvin. Imagine this scenerio, McFadden and McKelvin are both on the board at #6 and the Jets can't get a trade partner and pick McKelvin over McFadden. Imagine the fans at Radio City ? I almost can't wait for the draft to be over with. Been talking and reading about it since Jan."
Randy Lange Said:
"Ira, Pete Prisco was the one who mentioned Leodis McKelvin as a "Possible Prospect" for the Jets."
Damone Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 5:20pm EDT"Like i keep saying...whatever move we make in the draft,it will be a good one because of our position."
Jeremy Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 5:27pm EDT"McKelvin would be a solid selection if both Long's and Gholston are gone. I wouldn't take McFadden but I don't think he'll be there anyway. McKelvin and Revis are very similiar both PR in college. Jets saw a lot of 3/4 WR last year and depth at CB is always important. Don't forget that Miller is coming back too! "
Pat Maio Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 5:29pm EDT"My money is on Gholston if he is still available. The only way to beat the pats (see NY Giants super bowl) is get to Brady. Long would be a great bet but will probably be gone also."
Biglou Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:21pm EDT"I think the first 2 rounds have solid but unspectacular prospects. Why not trade down? Maybe, say the cowboy"s. If Mcfadden is still there why not trade there 2 first rd pick's for our 6th. We can use one on a linemen, offense or defense. The other on a skill position , depending on who slips and who's available. 2nd round maybe on the we can address the defensive backs or linebacker like year."
bob Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:51pm EDT"the jets have made there offseason moves to improve the defense and offensive line. they have to go to the draft and get some playmakers now for the offense. such names as mcfadden, ryan, stewart, or even dwayne bowe from LSU in the second round. what do u think randy?"
Ira Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:19pm EDT"Sorry about that. Prisco could very well be right. The Jets need a CB plus a WR. To take a WR at #6 would be a reach. But to take McKelvin that # wouldn't. If you look at the Jets projected lineup right now the only real question mark is that CB spot opposite Revis. Sure Miller and Barrett are here now but they would love to upgrade that spot if they can. CB could be their 1st pick. GO JETS!!!!"
Ira Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:27pm EDT"See that LC reported today as per Cimini. I for one am very happy. Guess they worked things out. Now McKelvin is a real possibilty if some other players are picked before. They can get another WR later in the draft. A CB as of now is their biggest need."
rich Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:35pm EDT"mcfadden is the quality pick, gholston is the need. jets need to improve their pass rush more than anything. jets already have 2 backs who will get you first downs. getting gholston will improve our defense a lot. another idea is trading down if gholston or mcfadden isnt on the board and getting a wide out like malcolm kelly or devin thomas(mayock has him as his #1 reciever)"
bryan campo Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:37pm EDT"is there a reason why there is no mention of the jets trading their #6 pick to the bengals for chad johnson???? a major void that we need to fill to be competitive is a receiver who can run, catch and run after the catch........not to mention financially johnson's contract is cheaper then a contract we would need to give to a #6 pick........call me crazy."
Drew Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:41pm EDT"I know Mckelvin is a top CB but would be mildly upset if we pick another CB with the #6. There are a lot of really good CB in this draft. Heard a rumor the Patriots will try and move ahead of the Jets for Gholsten by working with the Chiefs!! Little Bill at it again. If Ryan is there at #5 he will be there at #7for them also. Alot depends on the Falcons for us this year. They are the suprise team."
Alan Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:04pm EDT"I want to bring up a Corner nobody's mentioned at all and probably as talented as all the others and supposed to be a first rounder. Mike Jenkins from USF. Randy do u happen to know anything about Mike Jenkins Combine stats? Also If they Do take a corner in the draft and trade down Jenkins and Mcelvin will be taken so what about Domonoique Rodgers Cromartie folks?? ever think of him :P"
Randy Lange Said:
"Alan, Mike Jenkins ran a 4.38 40 and had a 34" vertical leap at the combine workouts."
Ira Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:05pm EDT"Pat Kirwin has a mock draft scenerio with the Raiders tradingdown with the Jets and the Jets moving up to #4 to take Gholston. Wow that would be something. The jets would have a real good pass rush then and get to the QB. Something they haven't had in years. It sure sounds as if the Jets and Pats both want Gholston. If thats the case i agree with Kirwin's scenerio."
DUNNIE Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:30pm EDT"Hey guys ... have not posted in a while ... i would love to see th Jets get Gholston in the 1st and then take Stewart (RB) in the second round. I heard he should drop to the second round because of his turf toe surgery. Then WR. "
Frank Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:33pm EDT"Drew don't worry we are not picking a CB at #6 no how no way. If the Raiders are serious about McFadden a trade with the Jets makes great sense since there is no way the Chiefs take McFadden at 5 and he falls to Raiders at 6. I say we do it if either Chris Long or Gohlston is availabe at #4. The more I think about it we have to get one of them we desperately need a pass rusher. "
biglou Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 11:03pm EDT"Unless you keep gholston as a defensive end that's not a good move. How many linebacker do we need? I alway's like the draft moves we make but to me with coles unhappy no real deep threat and only one solid corner I say we trade back and stock up on a few more pick's. Randy what team needs to break the top ten to address there needs?"
mr. bill Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 11:04pm EDT"drew's right about the falcons being the surprise team w/4 out of the 1st 48 picks at thier disposel look for them to package up 2 of them to move up to 6 for a player they covet. And besides that Woody has already spent all his toilet paper earnings this year and the 6th pick is propaply to rich for his blood at this point."
hank Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 11:45pm EDT"jake long is a great pick at 6 if gholston is not available, hes an outstanding player who complete the o line to match youth with expeirience. keep cp or kc off thier backs, they'll make good plays. the same thing goes with the d line, smack the qb and dont let up, put the best qbs on there back enough and they'll make mistakes.build from the middle out, super bowls are won this way"
Ira Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:43am EDT"Frank, You can never have enough pass rushers. But they are not desperate thats why they signed Pace. Add another in the draft like Gholston and they could be a real force. Just don't think Gholston or C. Long will drop to #6. Like Kirwin said the Jets will have to trade up to get Gholston. "
Howard Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:14am EDT"what great draft talk i love this stuff.but if gholsons gone in the first before our pick trade donw pick up extra picks and q.groves in rd 2 i still like this guy as a pass rusher.although i would take jake long at 6 if hes there,a real solid young o line can never go wtong with that.keep posting love reading everyones thoughts"
Will Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:44am EDT"hey randy, i seen we drafed aaron glenn in the 94 draft, what happened to him and did we get anything in return?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Will, Aaron Glenn, CB Marcus Coleman and T Ryan Young were not protected in the 2002 Houston expansion draft and all three players were selected by the Texans. "
ZARTAN Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:08am EDT"Just read that the 49ers got caught tampering with Lance Briggs.what do you care you say? the 49ers will have to now switch picks with the bears.4 those who didnt figure it out yet.The patriots have their pick & now have to pick at 12. down from 7. not that great of news. the Patriots will still get a player they want at a cheaper price tag."
Randy Lange Said:
"Zartan, San Francisco and Chicago are switching third-round picks, not first-rounders. The Patriots are still at No. 7 in the first round."
Joe T Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:16am EDT"bottom line is that we wouldnt even be having this discussion about who to draft if the front office had signed Ty Law, Ben Utech, and Eugene Wilson. We'd have a veteran corner to mentor rookies and young guys, we'd have a solid replacement at safety for Erik Coleman (while also sticking it to the Pats), and a young, tall receiving threat. We all know the Jets' draft history. Just think about it."
Drew Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:48am EDT"The only way we pick a corner is if we trade down.....Would be a little suprised if we traded up for anyone. That is a lot of cash for the #4 pick Frank. I also think this R Clady kid is going to make some waves in the top5. Cannot wait to see how this plays out.... A little off the subject but really like this E Ainge kid from Tenn. Has the size and the brain to be a mid round steal for a team."
Brian Sommer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:18am EDT"Gholston would be a great pick! You can play him with his hand up or down. Plus you can never have too many linebackers in a 3-4 scheme. We need players who can put pressure on the qb. With pressure even average cornerbacks look good. Lets get a cornerback in the second round. Maybe flowers will be there the top of round two. If not Cason should be! I also like DT Balmer with the 2nd rnd pick !"
Mike B Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:36am EDT"The jets need to look for Mc Fadden as their #1 choice in round 1. If unavailable they should take Gholston and pair him with Pace or trade down and pick up extra picks. In the second round they should look at either player from USC remaining; either Sam Baker @ T or Fred Davis @ TE. Baker would solidify their offensive line and allow you to move Woody to G and Davis would give you a play maker."
Chris Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:47am EDT"Signing Ty Law would be stupid on our part...the man cares about himself and is much slower now.....it is true that in the past our draft history is upsetting but the past 2 years we have done a good job drafting key players and i see that continuing this season"
JetGirl Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:56am EDT"All this is great info BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE THINGS ARE WITH COLES????"
Randy Lange Said:
"JetGirl, confirming reports in the Daily News and Star-Ledger, WR Laveranues Coles reported Monday to the Jets' off-season strength and conditioning program."
Frank Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 12:12pm EDT"Ira, you keep saying Pace is a pass rushing specialist he had 6 sacks not 16. And who knows which B. Thomas is going to show up this year I'd really like to know what happened to him last year. If things go better this year we may not be in this good of a position again to grab one of the 2 premier pass rushers. I think both of these guys are going to be stars and we need to get one of them. "
Ira Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 12:21pm EDT"Drew, Buttle likes Ainge also. I would prefer Henne if they were to take a QB in the middle rds."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 1:38pm EDT"I think that C Long, V Gholston & D McFadden will all be gone by the time we pick at 6 but Ira to comment on what you said if C Long & V Gholston are gone & the Jets pass on McFadden to take a corner the public outcry would be crazy they might burn down radio city music hall. if they get C Long or Gholston fine I will have no problem but to pas up on McFadden for a corner no way they can do that"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 1:41pm EDT"We need J Long, M Ryan & G Dorsey to go in the top 5 this way the Jets get 1 of these 3 C Long, V Gholston or D Mcfadden that is the best case. "
Ira Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 2:03pm EDT"Frank, I didn't say Pace was a pass rushing specialist. I did however say that the Jets are not desperate for a PR. If Pace plays the way people expect him to he could get 10 sacks. But remember everbody looks at sack totals. QB pressures are just as important and we both know QB's have had all day vs the Jets. That will change this season. Imagine Pace,Thomas and Gholston together. GO JETS!!!!"
Ira Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 2:11pm EDT"Frank, Shame on me. I didn't even mention Bowens. He really came on in the 2nd half of last year. What happened to Thomas? I will give him the benefit of doubt and see how he responds this summer with some added pressure to keep his job. Bowens, Pace,Thomas, and maybe Gholston as OLB and all can lineup as DE's. They will get to the QB for sure. Take it to the bank."
Dunnie Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:08pm EDT"Hey Frank ... here is one Jets fan that would be fine if the Jets pass on McFadden. I have a bad feeling about this kid ...didn't he fumble the heck out of the ball ? What do you think about Felix Jones ?? Or Jonathan Stewart ... these are two backs I would consider over McFadden. As I stated earlier .. hopefully Gholston in rd 1 and then Stewart in rd. 2 followed by a decent WR."
Alan Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:27pm EDT"The fans that would burn down Radio City Music Hall for Mcfadden know nothing then. Has EVERYONE whos a jet fan forgot about Last Year's team MVP LEON WASHINGTON??who had more td's as the backup then the starter himself?? and im pretty sure we signed a rb?? Yes Jesse Chatham. Jets are visiting mcfadden just to get a good deal of Jones and the boys if gholstons gone by 6."
Wayne Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:41pm EDT"Jets have to get either on of the Longs(prefer C Long), Gholston, or Dorsey for this draft to be a success. Shame we didn't lose that last game against Chiefs. How important is that now? Another pass rusher is critical to D and another O lineman to solidfy protection for whoever our QB will be. Like Jets to get Flacco if the can and another WR."
hank Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:41pm EDT"Ira, ill take that to bank. imagine what that monster lb 52 will do with a better supporting cast. he will be that much better with more talent around him. if he would have started all year he would have been one of the league leaders in tackles and at least 8.5 to 9 sacks. harris will be pro bowler this year, and for many after."
Drew Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:47pm EDT"Ira, I am also high on Henne but he is clealy the 2nd QB in this draft. Ainge will be a guy you can get later. I am talking about a steal in Ainge in the later rounds..I do agree with your Bowens line. He really did a good job late in the year getting pressure...Speaking of tampering how did the Jets not get caught tampering with Pace. He admitted it on the radio 2 weeks ago. We got lucky there!!"
Drew Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:53pm EDT"Not really sure what the obsession is with us drafting a RB at all in this draft let alone early.... I want no part of Mcfadden and we clearly need a CB,DE and or OLB and a Big WR. Why would we want to waste (especially a high pick )on a RB? We have 2 very good backs and a decent backup. As much as I like Stewart and Mendenhall there are other needs. We can take a flyer late on a guy."
Keith Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:58pm EDT"J-E-T-S dont need a Tailback..If gholston is gone,trade the pic."
MikeMc Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:19pm EDT"hate to see the jets move upto take Gholsten,if hes there at 6 great,if not trade down in the draft for volumn. I also have a bad feeling about Mcfadden,not just his fumbles but his character.I feel Jones Washington and Chatham is asolid backfield. I would love to address need,WR,OLB,and CB"
Drew Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:32pm EDT"Dunnie, There is value in the 4th round for a RB. We do not need a 1st day pick on a back. There are guys like K Smith (C Florida) C Washington (USC) C Boyd (SC) and M Forte (Tulane) that could develop into top RB's. They all have good size/speed numbers. We will have to address the WR position on day 1...Sounds like Gholsten is really hot now. Hope we do not overreact to the Patriots interest. "
biglou Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:40pm EDT"I think if we trade down take the best available wide receiver and middle linebacker and corner that is the way to go. I thought our running game showed signs in the later half of the year plus if ever buddy looks back to last years playoffs there where guys that walked off the street and started. Look at some of the 1st rd rb"s that have never won a championship. It's all about the qb's."
biglou Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:52pm EDT"I also think eveyrbody's overlooking the need for another corner even though we address it last year. last time i checked more and more teams are using 4 and 5 reciever sets. with jenkins in the middle along with harris and the addition of pace and if b thomas plays like 06 ,we are good. "
Alan Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:04pm EDT"I am so sick of hearing about Mcfadden. Jets dont need him he doesnt fit in our system he plays mostly out of shotgun snaps and fumbles alot. Leon Washington is Our Current Team MVP jets do not need a rb. The jets are just smokein the deal with cowboys if gholston isnt theyre. I Love the way gholston plays he reminds me alot like Terell Suggs on the ravens which is summthing the jets could use :) "
Keith Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:16pm EDT"Jets dont need a tailback-If Gholston is gone TRADE THE PICK"
Jared Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:53pm EDT"the more i think about this draft the more I love it. If McFadden goes at 4 then we can get Gholston. If McFadden falls to 6 then we can trade the picks to Dallas (hopefully) and get that big, fast WR and another good pick. Or, worse case scenario, if Dallas doesnt want to deal then we get the most explosive RB in the draft, BOO HOO! I dont see how we can lose. This scenario is win/win"
Matt Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 7:21pm EDT"Let's take Limas Sweed and call it a round."
JetSpeed Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 7:44pm EDT"The Jets DO need a RB, because T.Jones is aging...McFadden would make the offense much more dynamic. He's a special talent."
Braeden Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:11pm EDT"What Jared said, its nothing but a win/win scenario. I now officially have the New York football JETS taking Limas Beauregard Sweed in the second round. Also I have them taking Gholston in the first round. In the fourth round Kevin Smith would be great to mix in with TJ & LW. And finally, Colt Brennan, the icing on the cake. 1.CP 2.KC 3.CB Is MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!"
Spike Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:12pm EDT"Something about Gholston worris me .... I think he has a better chance of being a bust than McFadden. Don't really want McFadden either. Also against moving up a second year (who can complain though with the results?). Leodis McKelvin or trade down if you can find a trade partner."
Alan Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:22pm EDT"If gholston and C. Long are gone jets will trade down and get Domonique rodgers Cromartie or maybe draft an OLB that nobody is talking about. I would love to see another steal Like harris go in 2nd round and were not drafting a rb Its sad that no teams have a rb issue when this draft may have one of the most elite RB cores in history. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:31pm EDT"Everyone keeps talking about Leon he is a good change of pace back & that is it he can not take the pouding to be an every down back. Also you guys are talking like T Jones is an all pro the guy is 30 & has had 2 good years in 8 years he is just OK that is it."
Frank Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:32pm EDT"Dunnie, I have been saying for months already that Mendenhall is the best RB in the draft he ran a 4.37 vs McFumble's 4.33 he is also 20lb's heavier than McFumble a beast at 228lbs. He is built for the pro game. Having said that although I am not in love with TJ he will play well and I actually think Chatman is going to have an impact this year who played well for the Phins late in the season."
John Borsh Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:33pm EDT"Hey Randy any new news on the Jets trading down with Dallas for their two first rounders and what is the probability of that happening"
Frank Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:40pm EDT"Looking our our D-Line Coleman was our best last year and now we have Jenkins in the middle. Assuming we can't trade D-Rob there is talk of moving him outside I suggested this move last season. I think he will do well outside that is why I say to trade Ellis who has not done much the last few years. Just like Tangini did last year moving up for Revis & Harris they must draft C Long or Gohlston..."
Frank Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:51pm EDT"...I think they need to do whatever is necessary to make this happen. Trade Ellis for another pick. We rotate D-Rob, Bowens and B. Thomas if we get Gohlston. We rotate C Long, D-Rob and Bowens if we grab C Long. If we get Long along with the emergence of Pouha and D-Rob still on the roster we can do tremendous things upfront. Our front seven would then be one of the best in the league on paper."
Mike Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:53pm EDT" T.Jones is getting older and you cant have enough good RB I would rather see the JETS take Rashard Mendenhall. Gholston would be a good pick also. Another topic do we all think Clemens is the guy? If not Matt Ryan I dont think will be available. JETS could trade to a lower pick then get QB Brian Brohm."
Jay Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:03pm EDT"Trade down and pick up Brian Brohm Chad Henne or Joe Flacco. 2nd round take a CB like Rodgers-Cromartie. Or the JETS could take a chance on Dennis Dixon."
Pete Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:34pm EDT"I still don't see the pass rush all of you are speaking about. Ellis disappeared in the 3-4, Jenkins fills holes, Coleman is Coleman, BT is BT and Pace has a career high of 6 wopping sacks during his "breakout year". Dorsey and Long don't fit the 3-4 and too much money has been given to Pace and Thomas to draft Gholston. No pass rush, better trade the pick and look for a couple of corners."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:58pm EDT"Frank McFadden is 215 so Mendenhall is not 20 pounds bigger also I have Mendenhall at 224 anyway Mendenhall had 1 good year at ILL. Mendenhall did not even play his 1st 2 years & played in a weaker conference than Mcfadden McFadden started all 3 years & rocked the SEC the best conference in football 3 years straight McFadden was RB of the year 2 years in a row & 2nd in the heisman 2 years in a row"
zartan Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:11pm EDT"Stop talking about McFadden. the guy is a Colledge star. Stewart & Mendanhall are better.DMC WILL BE A BUST!!! i said it .copy,paste & print.our pressing needs are LB CB WR QB.4 needs(IN THAT ORDER) ill take the best prospect available.(not in that order)well be ok this coming season but we need another draft.well be back cause will need a FB & TE next year."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:29pm EDT"Frank you also just happen to use Mendenhall's best time 4.37 & McFaddens worst time 4.33 be Fair & use either both of there best times McFadden 4.27 & Mendenhall 4.37 or both of there worst times McFadden 4.33 & Mendenhall 4.45 If McFadden & Mendenhall both start right off the bat & nobody gets hurt McFadden will do way better than T Jones & Mendenhall PERIOD "
Ira Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:14am EDT"This should end all the McFadden talk and taking a RB in the 1st rd. R.Bush supposed to be all- world well after 2 years he has 312 carries-1146 yds 3.7 avg and 10 TD's. Is that worth a top 10 pick ? No way. Leon has 222 -1003 yds-4.5 avg and 7 TD's as a 4th rd pick. Plus he didn't cost 25-30 million guaranteed. Ghoston or Mckelvin or trade down or trade up to get C. Long or Gholston.GO JETS!!!!"
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:38am EDT"Totally disagree with Frank about putting D-Rob on the outside...I know it sounds like a good idea but it just isnt. There is a reason he plays DT. He is 6'0 310lb. He would get eaten alive on the outside. He is way too short to go against 6'5 tackles in this league. I know everyone wants to have a plan for him but we are in a tough spot. We cant trade him and he has no position on this team."
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:46am EDT"Sounds like Mcfadden had a killer Pro Day. Great news for the Jets. The more players WOW the scouts the more action the #6 pick can get. Again keep reading that this R Clady kid might slip into the top 5. This would be huge...I am not against drafting a RB. I am against drafting one with our 1st or 2nd picks. If we trade down and pick up another I would take a chance on a guy"
Hal Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:48am EDT"How can any one suffest that OLine or Dline is not our top priortity. We were swiss chees on offense and run and sacked all over. We need to be strong in the trenches first and everything else will fall into place. Cornerback! come on!"
MikeMc Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:32am EDT"Cornerbacks are getting paid big dollars in free agency so we must draft one,same with pass rushers.There is always later round RB that become solid Pros. Our offensive line is coming together so maybe add a gaurd or a tackle in next yrs draft,it seems we are stockpiling picks for '09. Lets lock up Tan-Gini for the next several yrs so there focus is always longterm.S.B.in2010?"
Hogan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:05am EDT"HAL, do you pay any attention to this team, or are you just ignoring all the off season moves allready made."
Mr.X Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:14am EDT"I truly think DRob would excel at RE or LE. I know call me crazy but thats my story and i'm sticking to it."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:44am EDT"The problem that alot of you guys have is that you think your teams players are way better than they really are Chad is ok at best not a long term answer. Leon is a change of pace back punt & kick returner & a 3rd down passing situation back he can not carry the load. T Jones is a good back to pound it & run between the tackles but he can not break the long one WHAT I AM SAYING IS A FACT "
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:50am EDT"Ira 1 the Jets struck gold with Leon to think the Jets can go out & do it again you are not thinking the right way for every 1 Leon there are 1,000 4 th round busts 2 R Bush is a great back he never was a carry the load guy @ usc he had L White & his 1st year he had Duece to take the pounding & he was great last year with Duece hurt they asked him to carry the load & at 200 lbs he could not do it"
Dunnie Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:57am EDT"Ok ... I am officially changing my vote ... btw : I agree with Frank ..mostly. I say if Gholsten and Long are gone ... trade down a few spots and take the best WR, QB or CB available... although I fear having a second year CB bookended by a rookie! ... We don't need a RB this year, and I agree .. there is value later on the board. =)"
zartan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:23pm EDT"enjoyed Eric Allens article on the DBs.Ive talk so much about the draft that im at the point of just repeating myself on every aspect. just want to say to the fans,lets not be like the knicks & boo the jets at home if they play bad. it makes it hard for the home team to play at home.i think manghini will help build this team.i just want you guys to be supportive.no fair weather fans. GO JETS!!!!!"
Die hard fan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:25pm EDT"I think Chad is just as important as L.C. When he was benched, instead of moping and groping he was the biggest cheer leader on the sideline. That shows a lot of character and leadership. Kellen is more mobile but do we really want our quarterback on the run. WIth the additions to the O-line, Chad shouldn't have to run to much. Dont forget he's the 2nd most accurate QB ever. He's done it B4"
Hogan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:51pm EDT"Zartan, I agree, and will always support the team....GO JETS"
Frank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:56pm EDT"Drew you just like eveyone else here has forgotten that D-Rob played like a beast and actually put alot if inside pressure on the QB in D. Henderson's 4-3. To counter your argument he isn't able to handle 600lb's of beef on the inside. Moving him outside lends to his two strengths which are quickness and one on one strength. I realize he is a little short in the 3-4 he will eat up space outside."
Frank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:59pm EDT"Our most glaring weakness is pass rushing and we need to address that with our first pick. Tall WR and CB with our second or third picks. O-Line thereafter."
Lou Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 1:02pm EDT"I don't think or want the DB at number 6. If Mcfadden is gone then Ghosten is the best bet for us. Long would be great but he will be gone & Ellis has dropped down. The other choice if they are not available is to trade down. I also think that Chad will be traded prior to the draft."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 1:06pm EDT"In todays game teams use 2 backs the Saints, Boys & Jags have done well with this they pound you with the big back then they hit you with the fast guy & they wear the other team down with our new O line & T Jones pounding the ball between the tackles than bring in McFadden other teams will be sucking wind by the 4th quarter this is the Jets best chance to win on the offensive side of the ball"
JOHNNYJET Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:09pm EDT"HEY RANDY- ARE THE JETS HAVING THE DRAFT AT DAVE AND BUSTERS AGAIN? LET ME KNOW? ANY WORD ON TY LAW AND TROY BROWN?"
Randy Lange Said:
"JohnnyJet, the only thing I have info on is that it look like one of our draft day parties will be back at Dave & Buster's in Manhattan. But keep watching this site. As soon as we get more information on the parties, we'll let you know."
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:22pm EDT"Tom Spicer??? You basically say in one post that Washington is an okay to average player and then post that the Jets struck Gold with him in the 4th round?? Which one is it?? To add the Jets have done well finding mid to late players......While I agree that Mendenhall only had 1 big year he did it in the Big Ten in cold weather against Pro style defenses in a Pro style offense"
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:27pm EDT"Mr X....you are correct ....you are crazy. Not only would D-Rob "NOT" excel at DE he would get destroyed out there. Maybe you or Frank can give me a decent reason why this would work. Other than we cannot trade him and he doesnt have a position on this team?You guys tried this with the Vilma playing OLB idea. It just doesnt work. I wish it did because I like the player."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:01pm EDT"Drew I said Chad & T Jones are OK or AVG players I never said that about Leon & please show me the post where I said it. I said Leon is a good change of pace back great punt & all pro kick return guy but not a guy that can carry the load he does not have the size THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I have to question either you guys are to loyal or you dont know football if you think Chad &T Jones are that good "
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:08pm EDT"I think Robertson can play DE in a 3-4 he is known for his speed in a 3-4 nose tackles have to be huge 325 to 350. DE'S have to be like 300 lbs really DT'S that are to small to play nose & OLB'S are 4-3 type DE'S they all have to be bigger type guys "
Frank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:37pm EDT"Drew easy boy I never said to put Vilma outside. I suggested trading him a year earlier. He never had the ability to play outside and was not a good pass rusher. Great at chasing people down in open space which doesn't work well in 3-4. Read what I said earlier why I thought it might work. Key words are "it might work." Why not try it if we can't trade him? 2 years inside in the 3-4 hasn't worked."
drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 5:43pm EDT"Frank, no disrespect intended so I will just try to understand your comments which is a somewhat daunting task. No one knew JV would not pan out in the 3-4. We have Harris and Barton now if Thomas can prove again he is not just a contract year wonder and Pace works out,, we have a formidable LB core. "
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:21pm EDT"Spicer..You gave the impression that Washington was a okay player in your post but then gave the struck gold line. Maybe just the way I took it....You also stated that a 4th was a crap shoot and the Jets have proven that it is not true. I for one am not a Chad lover or a TJ lover. I like TJ as our every down back but do think we need another RB just not one in the rounds 1 or 2 in this draft"
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:51pm EDT"Frank..my Vilma reference was just to make a point. You cannot throw guys into positions they will not succeed in. D-Rob will not succeed outside. He is a stout 4-3 DT not a 3-4 DE. This was the thinking of alot of Jet fans about moving Vilma. We are in a horrible position right now with this guy.... Spicer 3-4 DE are also 6'5 not 6'0 like D-Rob. Once a tackle gets his hands on him.... its over!!"
Mr.X Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:29am EDT"Drew, I think DRob has deceptive speed and strength. I also think he learned a bit from his time at NT. I just think he would rock at RE. I know i will never see it happen with the jets tho."
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:02pm EDT"If you said to me we are going to start T Jones give him 20 runs a game & pound him between the tackles & Mcfaddden is our 2nd back & will get 10 to 15 runs a game with Leon returning punts & kickoffs & also coming in as our 3rd down pass catching back I can understand that similar to when the Pats had Dillon as the big back, Maroney as the speed guy & Faulk as the pass catching back "
oldtimegreen Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:33pm EDT"Pleasantly surprised when King came up OT Long. The obvious Q will be shot from pillar to post...Why?? Fans have marked our starting OL in ink. Two we know we want and don't want. Let's accentuate the positive. Long is a blue-chipper, a classic. Unlike the RB--no matter how mag covers he graces--a team will have no hesitation to pay this player the money. Pluck him at 6, plug him in for decades."
king Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:19pm EDT"HOPE GHOLSTON IS THERE AT#6 ,ALONG SIDE HARRIS WOULD BE TREMENDOUS TRADE PENNIGTON GO WITH THE KID NOW WE'LL HAVE A RUN GAME AN TIME TO GO DOWN FIELD...CAN'T WAIT FOR DRAFT DAY"
Charles DiComo Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:42pm EDT"I met a former NY Jet player that was cut in the 2007 pre-season. He is looking to get picked-up in the NFL as a free agent. He told me that coach M! is tough and does not play around. He is very demanding mentally and physically. I think we will have an awsome year regardless of our draft picks. The draft will only help us out! GO JETS"
GIOVANNI LEONE Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 6:12am EDT"I STILL BELIVE THAT IF GHOLSTON IS THERE AT #6 WE GOT TO GET HIM,IF NOT WE GOT TO TRADE DOWN AND GET A WR,CB,AND AQB IN THE 2SD ROUND,LIKE JOE FLACOO."
MC42 Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:58pm EDT"Lets be real here, the Jets have some big needs on both sides of the ball, but mostly offensive. WR, OL, RB, QB. Coles is a solid starter but lacks big play mentality while other WRs are nothing better than #3 WRs. The OL is young but through free agency they filled some big holes. I would look for the Jets to take Jake Long if available and move D'Brick to RT. We need a better compliment to TJ at"
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JOHNNYJET Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:05pm EDT"HEY RANDY- THE JETS HAVE TO GO DEFENSE BECAUSE DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! VERNON HAS TO BE THE ANSWER!! WHAT DO YOU THINK?"
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