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03/20 — Over the past couple of days, we’ve heard a lot about Boston College QB Matt Ryan, Virginia DE/OLB Chris Long and Arkansas RB Darren McFadden. While Ryan and Long performed well at their respective workouts, the Hogs won’t host their pro day until next Tuesday.
After electing not to play in the Senior Bowl and then declining to throw at the NFL Combine, Ryan reportedly completed 48 of 52 passes (not too bad considering three incompletions were drops) in front of a large gathering at Chestnut Hill, Mass.
“I thought I did OK,” Ryan told NFL Network. “I showed every throw that I think you have to make in the NFL. I went through the entire tree, showed that I could throw on the run and make all the throws you have to make to play on the next level. I thought I did a good job of that today, so I was pleased with the workout.”
NFL Network's Mike Mayock believed Ryan impressed onlookers with his understated athleticism and good footwork.
“The only concern was not as tight a spiral as you’d like to see 100 percent of the time,” Mayock said. “But mark this down, folks — a top-eight pick. No doubt about it.” In fact, in his latest mock draft, Mayock has Ryan going No. 1 overall to the Dolphins.
Also on March 18, Long went under the microscope down in Charlottesville, Va. After skipping linebacker drills in Indy, he showcased his OLB ability during a workout run by Virginia coach Al Groh.
“Surprisingly, I was pretty comfortable out there,” said Long about playing in space. “I always knew I could do it, and towards the tail end of the season I started to have to do it a little bit situationally.”
The thing about Long is that his physical tools get overlooked because of the “high-motor” tag. He might not be quite the freak that Ohio State prospect Vernon Gholston is, but Howie’s son has all the goods.
“I feel like I can do whatever a team asks me to do,” he said. “With repetition and a little hard work, I think I can do anything they ask me to do defensively. “
And before we get to Run DMC, let’s give a little love to Florida DE Derrick Harvey. The Gators’ ninth all-time leading sacker (20.5) dazzled in Gainesville and his stock is soaring.
"I'm getting excited now. I can't wait for the draft," Harvey said after his pro day. "I've always dreamed of playing pro football, and it's almost here."
If you picked up a New York Daily News this morning, you are aware that Rich Cimini reported that Jets RB coach Jimmy Raye visited the Arkansas campus and met with McFadden and two other running back prospects.
Before you pencil in McFadden at No. 6, we can assure you that the Green & White are doing their due diligence. The fact is they’re going to visit a number of the top prospects (by the way, most prognosticators have fellow Hogs RB Felix Jones going in the first round as well) and will entertain many at their Weeb Ewbank Hall facility prior to the draft.
One of the more intriguing topics of this draft will be in what order the wide receivers fall. Limas Sweed, who’s a big target at 6’4” and 212 pounds but battled a left wrist injury last season, ran well at Texas' pro day and looked the part in drills. Some teams might like Oklahoma’s Malcolm Kelly, but he hasn’t been able to work out because of a hamstring injury. Cal burner DeSean Jackson is only 5’10” and 169 pounds, but that won’t matter much if he has space.
You get the picture — it’s cloudy.
“I think three or four wide receivers are going to go in the first round. Most teams tell me they don’t have three or four wide receivers with a first-round grade,” Mayock said. “Who will those guys be? I think Limas had a great workout. He made a case to be a first-round receiver.
"The guy right now with a lot of momentum is Michigan State’s Devin Thomas. He’s an explosive kid, he had 79 catches, he runs extremely well. He is probably the best run-after-the-catch guy in the entire wide receiver class.”
Less than two weeks remain before the University of Southern California and former Jets boss Pete Carroll conclude the college tours in SoCal on April 2. So we’ll continue to monitor everything as we go and we appreciate your feedback as spring heats up.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (70)Frank Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 4:08pm EDT"I have a lot of respect for Mayock he clearly is the best in the business. I hope he is right about Ryan then we will have a shot at one of the Long's or Gohlston. As for the big WR I am begging for Kelly he has the best hands and will be a star in the NFL. Nice smoke screen on McFadden no way we take him. I keep hearing about his 4.33 speed. Mendenhall who is 20lbs heavier and a beast ran a 4.37."
Mike Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 4:12pm EDT"Mcfadden has some baggage. I would like to see our team add speed on the defense and speed at WR. Gholston looks like the real deal."
mike Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 4:13pm EDT"i think da jets should pick gholstein soldifing the defence and pass rush and should go with hardy 6'6 aka (da next plaxico) wide reciever from indiana "
Mathew Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 4:37pm EDT"I heard the Jets are aiming for James Hardy in the 2nd round at WR"
Jim Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:04pm EDT"Eric, any stats on Sweed's workout?"
Eric Allen Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:41pm EDT"Jim, this is Randy. According to NFLDraftScout.com, Limas Sweed ran a 4.50 in his 40 at Texas' pro day on Wednesday."
jim Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:48pm EDT"Everyone seems to be forgetting about a reciever we got last year in the 7th round. Stucky, although small, is fast. He is great for the slot. Draft Gholston in the first round and Hardy in the second. Let coles go on June 1. Cotchery becomes the #1 reciever, Hardy #2, and Stucky #3. Brad Smith could be your 4th or Leon Washington. "
Drew Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:50pm EDT"Love Mayock but I do not see what he sees in Ryan though. I hope he is right because the more players in the Top 5 the bigger our options get at 6. Just do not see the arm or accuracy as an elite QB. Reminds me a lot of Alex Smith and (who I hated coming out)just a bad QB class this year..... Read Mayock's report on Mcfadden then tell me why we should take him #6??"
Howard Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 6:06pm EDT"mayock is one of the best in the business his reports are on the money.would still like more speed on d and pass rush sounds like gholstin,then the wide out in rd 2 although would like to trade down a few spots in 2 and maybe get a 3 and something back if possible.the some depth on the o line,and secondary."
john werner Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 6:49pm EDT"I doubt the Jets will get a shot at McFadden or Gholston at #6, they might be able to trade down for a couple picks and address some needs with later picks like Harvey and/or Sweed. I'd like to see them pick up Kevin O'Connell, I think this guy could become the best find of this draft and they do have a need for a 3rd QB."
dougmc Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 6:55pm EDT"I was at the Georgia Tech vs. B.C. back in Sept. and saw Ryan be patient and pick apart a good "D" and threw a post-corner that was perfect. If their dream pick is gone at #6 it might be worth it and trade Chad.Pass rush is a priority and receiver in round 2.With no 3rd rounder we need to package D-Rob or others for the future.Ocho-sinco would be great to end "O" issues than just concentrate on D"
Ira Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 8:16pm EDT"Mayock is right about Ryan. He will go to the Fish unless Parcells gets some crazy trade offers. Mr. T has done such a great job filling needs it puts them in position to let the board come to them and then decide. Any one of the top players would be good. If they are to go WR and move down i quess Kelly would be the guy. If he were off the board then i would hope for Thomas or Manningham. "
Dublin Jet Niall Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 8:28pm EDT"Oh, and "Beanachtaí na féile Pádraig do chách" (belatedly) to all my fellow green and whiters and a very Happy easter also."
Eric Allen Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 9:52pm EDT"Not to mention a belated happy St. Patrick's Day, Niall."
eddieandthejets! Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 9:12pm EDT"Hate to pat myself on the back....but the two players i said the jets should be going for are in this article (check out my post on the bubba no frills article) now trade LC and DROB, swap the sixth and go get HARVEY AND JACKSON!!!"
scjoe Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:29pm EDT"Not sure why Mayock is so down on McFadden and so high on Ryan, but I think the scale should be balenced on both. There is a good chance neither will be there at six anyway. Gholston is still my choice, with a WR in round 2. Kudos to Mr. T and Eric for putting us in the position to select the best available at #6 regardless of the position. Great job guys."
zartan Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:30pm EDT"i read another article that said Maylok is a friend of Matt Ryans Family(really).im going to change my stance. i Flacco as a 2nd pick but ill take Gholston #1 & Hardy #2. or WR#1 Dan Conner #2 must take Kevin O'connell 1st # 4pick . Lets stop looking at who they say are the top picks and picking from their crop. Groves looks like a bigger beast and i wouldnt mind him at #1."
zartan Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:33pm EDT"? does any1 know what pick we got 4 Kindall? i think it was a 4th.and if so do you know if its this year.i dont see it on the mock boards."
Eric Allen Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 11:10pm EDT"Zartan, as reported previously, the Jets have received an undisclosed pick in the 2009 draft from the Redskins for last summer's trade of G Pete Kendall."
SteveS Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:51pm EDT"I gotta give it up to Jim - I agree completely - Jets have to draft Gohlston in first round and a WR in the second - See there's no McFadden involved. Since they have such an early 2nd round pick either Sweed, Hardy, or Devin Thomas (one of those tall recievers) will have to fall to them. Like Randy mentioned a couple teams dont have a wide reciever with first round talent - I AGREE "
eddieandthejets! Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:19am EDT"Time to think outside the box fellows.....Sweed and Hardy are slow..no time for Moss wannabees...Cotchery is now our posession reciever...the Mcfadden rumor is a head fake for the rest of the dummies(backfield is set!!!!)....BURNER JACKSON is the pick, he stretches the field and gives us a safety net at "RETURN MAN" ...just in case JMILLER stumbles on his return (on or off the field!!)"
eddieandthejets! Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:28am EDT"Real quick.....stay away from those slow, overated, nontested BIG TEN names people.....SEC, PAC10 and BIGEAST has "da playas".....BIG TEN was mighty week this year people!"
hank Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 3:55am EDT"the first time i saw j kelly play i knew he was the real mccoy, size, speed and hands. the same thing goes for mendenhall, he is way better than mcfadden. hes bigger and can hold on to the ball. the jets are going with d in the first round if they stay at 6, and dump drob for whatever they can get. vilma was sold at a thrift store price. this draft will show what tangini is all about."
Ira Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 7:11am EDT"I keep on reading posts about J.hardy. Sure he is a good prospect but he has been flagged with character issues on and off the field. Depending whatever the real stories are the Jets usually stay away from those problems. F.Bryant has signed with the Pats. Wonder if that means they've lost interest in Law and he will end up signing with the Jets? I believe the schedule comes out April 3rd."
dean Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:35am EDT"i keep seeing comments about how we gave vilma away. besides not getting a first-day pick this year, what don't you like about getting a second-round pick from new orleans next year, which we'll get if vilma stays on the field all season? come on folks pay attention."
Damone Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:40am EDT"Chad and James Hardy!??It wouldn't even matter about his arm strength with his accuracy and someone as tall as Hardy."
Patrick Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:45am EDT"Gholston in rd1 and Hardy in rd2 would be ideal. I cant think of anything better than that. The only other major hole is at CB and of course the ongoing QB dilemma."
Braeden Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:05am EDT"The only other team that I can see drafting Gholston is Kansas City. He is all JETS at #6. James Hardy would be a great pick up (I have him going to the JETS in the second round). The F.Bryant signing looks like Law is ours. The JETS are easily the best team in the AFC East (because New England has almost no young talent). We're easily gonna go 10-6 at least next year. J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!"
Ira Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:50am EDT"Herm's not taking anything but an o-lineman if he stays with the 5th pick. He is in desperate need for one who can step in and start right away. D.Coleman needs to get a real shot at playing nickel this year. He seems to have the talent but needs to play all the time. It's hard to be active 1 week and then non-active for the next few. He and Woolfolk will battle it out for maybe the last CB spot."
Michael Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:15pm EDT"in the second round i do want hardy.WR,but maybe we could get the AVery guy from houston but then i was looking we we should get Jordy Nelson.6'3 good handd and good speed.IRa and jets fans what do you think?jets fan for life,Michael"
DAMONE Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:36pm EDT"I slept on Kevin O'Connell!This guy is pretty good."
Osaigai Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:46pm EDT"I have heard the name Jordy Nelson mentioned as a possible pick at WR for the Jets. Does anyone know if he is any good? I am not familliar with his game. Another name is Chaz Schilens from SDSU . . . a WR. He is 6'4' tall, has good hands, a 42" vertical and, supposedly ran the 40 yard dash in 4.38.secs. He is being called a sleeper. Do you all have any info on these two players? Are they any good?"
ORIS Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 1:27pm EDT"LOOK PEOPLE AM TRIED OF EVERY BODY SAYING WE NEED THIS WE NEED THAT..OH THIS GUY IS TO RISKY..LOOK WE NEED A FRAN QB..THAT WILL BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME IN THIS LEAGUE IT STARTS WITH A QB LOOK AT TOM BRADY.. SO JUST TRADE CHAD I CAN'T THROW BALL MORE THAT 15 YARD'S PENNITON...AND DRAFT MATT RYAN..AND IF HE'S TALKING DRAFT DARREN MAC U HAVE BILL CAHALLEN THERE NOW SO JUST RUN THE BALL...OR DRAFT VERON GLOHSTON...."
DREWSJETS Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 1:54pm EDT"I would love to see D MAC in green and white but Ryan would make more sence because of our qb problem not everyone can be as cool as the other drew but your not the only drew with a comment (hater)lol"
Alan Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 2:25pm EDT"Jets are gonna draft Gholston and im picturing it now. Harris, Pace, Gholston, Barton As an LB core domination much? or u got Jenkins, Ellis, Gholston linein up although i think theyll play gholston as an lb after resinging pouhah to a big deal. Also we dont have a qb issue. I would like to bring up a player no1 knows about on roster.. Wallace Wright Ive seen him play at NC state and he can play."
robert garcia Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 4:06pm EDT"first of all how do u expect Clemens to be like tom brady wit no O LINE!!!! now that we signed faneca and woody they will help they younger players such as d brick and nick mangold so theres no need for a qb in the 1st round this year. my opinion is that it all starts on defense.with no d how do u expect to win championships.we should take vernon ghloston..he is a good d end and a physical freak"
GIOVANNI LEONE Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 4:47pm EDT"IF GHOLSTON IS THERE@#6 WE GOT TO GET HIM,IF NOT WE GOT TO TRADE DOWN WITH DALLASFOR THEY 2#1 PICKS.AT 22 PICK DE,AT #28 YOU GO FOR WR,AND ON THE 2SD,ROUND YOU GOT TO GO GET JOE,FLACCO.THATS WHY MRT IS MAKING LOOK LIKE WE ARE INTERESTED AT RUN,DMC,OR RYAN,SO OTHER GMS WILL LOOK TO TRADE WITH JETS,FOR THE #6,+D-ROB GOT TO GO,IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET A 3AND 4 ROUNDER FOR HIM,OR JUST A3TH ROUNDER GONE"
Larry Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 5:07pm EDT"We NEED to draft a QB. Every time it looked like we were going somewhere Pennington has been injured. I love CP and this is not his fault but he is a physically limited ,damage prone player. We are in the best position all around that we have been in for a long time. If we are to have any success we must have a legit QB and give them time. A super bowl team comes in steps, not in one bite."
Drew Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 8:44pm EDT"Just a thought on M Mayock report on M Ryan...Again I love Mayock and he is usually right with his draft player analysis but I think Mayock was a Boston College player?? I am lost on why he think he is going to be a great Pro...Hey Eric can you confirn this??"
Eric Allen Said:
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:06pm EDT"Drew, this is Randy. You are indeed correct: Mike Mayock played DB at BC. He was then taken in the 10th round (265th overall) of the 1981 draft by Pittsburgh and played nine games over two seasons for the 1982-83 Giants."
Jetnut13 Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 2:56am EDT"If Gholston is there at #6 we have to grab him no matter what. We don't need to waste a pick on a q.b. When our new line actually blocks for Clemens he will prove everyone wrong. In a 3-4 we need as many good linebackers as we can get, Gholston will be a stud for many years to come."
Ray Wedell Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:37am EDT"With 5 weeks left until the draft, nobody knows. There will be endless trade proposals, up/down,all around. Players' stocks rising and falling. We have options. More imporantly, how do we cash in on the next few rounds? We have 3 Number 4s....a lucky round for us."
Rob Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 10:27am EDT"I think if we use our #6 pick for anything besides DE, DT or a big WR we'd be just wasting it. Most of our needs have been addressed thru offseason."
Hogan Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 10:42am EDT"The more I think about it I will be happy pretty much any way it goes. As long as 1 team before us picks someone other than GHOLSTON,the LONGS,RYAN, or DMAC(who I dont want but you could do alot worse) .Great story Randy I love to hear about the little stuff."
Mike MC Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 11:15am EDT"Ira ,Iput alot of stock in what you say here and on the radio,you seem to really have your finger on the pulse of our beloved team. Listen people we need only to draft hard working,selfless,talented and intelligent players.We need a team of good characters that put the team first ,thats what I want to root for! I feel Tan-Gini are doing just that . No more C johnson trade talk & no McBADden."
Braeden Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 12:38pm EDT"This is one of the many reasons Pennington will be the QB. This is a WIN NOW TEAM. Not the team that is settling for 6 wins. If we put KC in WE ARE settling for 6 wins, because hes gonna screw up every late- game comeback drive. Also, Chad still played better than KC even with the bad O- Line. So dont say hes gonna play better. Chad is just gonna beat him out in camp anyway. DRAFT COLT BRENNAN!!!!"
Eric Allen Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 1:50pm EDT"Braeden, this is Randy. Aren't you being a little tough on Kellen Clemens, who directed FG drives to send Washington into overtime, to tie and then beat Pittsburgh in OT, and to beat Kansas City in OT? I'm just asking."
Jeremy Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 3:02pm EDT"I'm all for putting Penny back in as the starter--completing 50% with 2x the interceptions as TD isn't what we need. BRAEDEN & ERIC---don't forget the great comeback against the Ravens that guess who dropped 2 passes that would have won the game--yeah, McCariens, and guess what happened to him?? See ya! Ravens was a good showing for Clemes, but it's not enough to through 5 td's 10 picks & 50%"
tommy Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 3:36pm EDT"randy, what do you think is the jets biggest need? do you think if darren mcfadden's still on the board that the jets will draft him to trade to like the cowboys?"
Eric Allen Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 5:46pm EDT"Tommy, you're asking me questions I can't answer. But a lot of your fellow commenters have thoughts on those subjects here and at the end of other Radar entries."
Gatti117 Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 3:44pm EDT"OOO YEAAA, I'm all for Brennan! Even Flacco, either one I'll be more than happy with. We need some new QBs. But first, lets get McFadden!"
Frank Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 4:46pm EDT"Eric I am shocked at your comments I agree whole heartedly though just didn't think you or Randy would make such a...what could be construed as an "opinionated statement". I have been saying this for months Clemens went 3-6 as a starter and two dropped balls from 5-4 and as you pointed out he has a huge advantage over Chad,COME BACK ABILITY. Chad doesn't have the arm or mobility to strike quickly"
Anonymous Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 5:13pm EDT"Hey Braeden I have no idea what games you watched last year. Chad was the one throwing ridiculous 4th quarter INT's to lose games and by the way Chad had the worst 4th qtr passer rating of all starting QB's in the NFL last year. Meanwhile Clemens won 3 games to Chad's 1 should have won 2 others but not for dropped passes. Chad was one KO return vs. Phins away from losing that game as well. "
Jared Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 5:23pm EDT"ERIC ALLEN, THANK YOU! All these KC haters but if anyone watched the games we saw a kid with no o line win 3 games, lead big drives against Washington and Pitt and Baltimore. He has so much potential and to already give up on him without giving him a legit chance with a solid o line and better D is foolish. Lets plug our holes and fix the team and if we still lose then we can look at the QB spot."
jay Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 5:32pm EDT"Eric Allen u are the voice of reason. Some of u are ridiculous, yeah we should get rid of KC cuz he didnt perform well with a lousy o line and team. Based on that logic, Dallas should of given up on Troy Aikman after his first year cuz he only won one game. Give the kid an opportunity with a good team. Heck, he did well with a lousy team, 3 wins and good games against KC, Wash, Pitt and Balt."
Braeden Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 7:16pm EDT"Randy, I guess I am a little tough on Clemens and took it a bit to far. He did have a few good showings. But I think he needs time to mature behind Chad. He needs another good 2 years to learn and become a better QB. Once hes done that I'll be fine with him, but not yet."
Eric Allen Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:34pm EDT"Braeden, Randy again. No disrespect intended to anyone, players or commenters. But just as it's true that Chad can and does throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield, even in 2007, Kellen also led some nice two-minute drills. Both are good QBs who struggled last year, and as of now they're both back. I want everyone to feel free to offer opinions here but also would counsel fairness in articulating those opinions."
Drew Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 7:37pm EDT"Nice job Randy sticking up for KC. I agree 1000%.......Braeden you just got schooled by the one and only Randy Lange (even though it says Eric Allen said..LOL) The most hilarious part is ......to top off your post you yell to draft C Brennan...again!!! The guy who played in a run and shoot mickey mouse offense and is undersized and lackes an NFL arm, delivery and footwork????? Ridiculous!!!!!"
Frank Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:03pm EDT"Just for the record I am the "anonymous" commenter above I forgot to put my name in the box. I will also continue to repeat myself that Chad need to be traded before camp. I will guarantee to everyone that this season will be a disaster if Chad is still on the roster. There will be a QB controversy all season long. Based on Chad's and Clemen's play last year Clemens is our starter..."
Frank Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:11pm EDT"Furthermore Chad won exactly one game againest winning teams under Mangini. Also I can't beleive Mangini would be so stupid as to not change the Offensive playbook to meet Clemens strengths which are vastly different than Chad's. To have them compete in an offense geared towards Chad doesn't make sense. With a line that can block and a running game we will have a high scoring offense under Clemens"
Alan Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 10:24pm EDT"KC was won 3 games and had a Banged up O line that was bad to begin with Braeden.. Pennington had one win against a 1-15 team?? and KC cant bring in a drive late??? how many game ending int's did Chad throw last SSN?? Not to mention Jerricho and Coles were both injured and KC took over.. And i really do hope jets get gholston. "
Kevin Said:
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 10:25pm EDT"CHAD is between a Average and Very Good QB. That is the TRUTH. CHAD had 5 years at QB to show us what he has, and CHAD has MAYBE enough to get to the playoffs...but NOT enough to take us all the way. Now it is KELLY CLEMENS turn to show us if he can BECOME a real NFL QB. KC needs more than the 6 starts that he had. Remember CHAD had 5 years to show us that he is JUST an *(OK)* QB."
Xavion Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:17am EDT"Im not here to say KC is a lousy QB but if the only stat you can throw out there in his favor are the wins, Then your argument is really weak. The Pitt Game was won on the strength of our D. Miami? Gimme a break. & KC we won by the skin of our teeth probably in a game K.C. really didnt care too much to win Kellen did have some nice drives at points but you cant say chad would not have won those."
Xavion Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:25am EDT"Honestly I think Chad is the better QB. How many of those 4th quarter Picks came from deep out routes? He was handicapped in teh 4th qtr by predictable play calling. His first half stats are better. My problem with KC is he relies too much on the gun and misses throws all over the field especially when he had time. I dont know how many of you have the games on tape or dvr but take a look."
Xavion Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:31am EDT"As for CP true he doesnt have zip on the outs but How funny it is for us to call CP Just avg He has taken the team to the playoffs several times and has outplayed many Qbs in this league at times how many times have you cheered for the clutch play he made? I do believe KC can be great if he gets his timing and accuracy down but for now CPs better. and Drew you are misinformed Colt has a gun arm."
Anonymous Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 9:21am EDT"Xavion How many Pro Bowls has Chad gone to? Some guys are being generous in their accolades. He went to the playoffs yeah on the strength of the team. We had Curtis and one of the best O-Lines in the league during that time. If we had a Pro Bowl QB we might have won a Super Bowl. The fact is this team has been limited by Chad's weakness. Great Team Leader but it is time to go..."It's Clementine!""
Frank Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 9:23am EDT"The anonymous posting is mine again I keep forgeting my name. Anyway Happy Easter everyone!"
Xavion Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 10:21am EDT"Frank U have to be kidding me. Probowl? Probowl is a joke. A popularity Contest. Jake delhomme went to the probowl I suppose he's amazing and one of the greatest. Im not saying CP is one of the best ever But I remember he way outplaying Peyton Manning in game or 2, If you can acknowledge strength of team in Chads success but not Kellen's? Kellen only won games this year on the strength of the team"
Rob Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 10:39am EDT"Chad will never be the greatest QB in NFL (bust definitely smartest), and if you look at our locker room right now, he gives us best chance of winning. Nothing against KC but he has miss read coverages and thrown balls all over the field. Also this offense is not built around throwing deep balls, its the coaching philosophy not just Chad, so accuracy matter to this offense. We're all about YAC."
Mike Mc Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:39pm EDT"Most true jet fans I know love Chad,so we owe it to him to let him move on to be a starter. I was at that colt playoff WHUPPIN and will never forget it ,thanks for the memories.The fact that we are discussing QB proves there isnt much fall-off going with Kellen, the future is now.Kellen will be much improved with upgrade in protection.Draft a QB 2 or 3rd rd. and revisit this in 2yrs."
Frank Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:56pm EDT"Xavion the last I checked Manning won a Superbowl. Chad won a few games so what he didn't get us to the championship. It's clearly over for him...next and move on. Sure I'd like to fanatasize and say let's bring Curtis back and get 1600 yards from him but time moves on and intelligent decisons must be made. For the record I love Chad was a big fan of his and think he is a class act unlike Coles."
Frank Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 3:59pm EDT"Hey Joe Willie you know I keep it real I am the only one that does. If you ever hear me spouting the company line unless it's mine then my credibility is shot and I'll sound like everyone else. I have been bleeding green since the Namath days and used to sit through the games at Shea stadium when I was a kid I suffer just like the rest. Did get to meet Joe Willie at Smith & Wollensky's as a kid."
Mike Mc Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 4:11pm EDT"Love Coles' toughness,but we can't be held hostage by an aging player.He has 2yrs left so either sign a team friendly contract with an extension or play out your deal. I wouldn't be opposed to a june 1 release,send a message without the training camp distraction. Draft a WR early,size and speed."
Braeden Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 4:33pm EDT"Colt Brennan has a gun and great accuracy, not the best arm strength, but good. Hes the perfect guy to battle it out with KC once Chad is done. I doubt that Chad is getting traded 1.because Mike T said hes commin back a few months ago. 2. Nobody is offering more than a 3rd or most likeley 4th rounder for him. Once again ill be fine with KC in a few years but not now, he is unproven."
Response to ERIC ALLEN Said:
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 10:35pm EDT"Eric Allen I hate to disagree with when you said KC directed a overtime win over Kansas City in the lsat game. ERIC, KC played TERRIBLE against Kansas City! If it is going to take 4 Quarters EVERY game for KC to figure out how to be a NFL QB, then the JETS are in big trouble! The TRUTH is, Kelly Clemens looked pretty BAD in most of his games in 2008. But he ONLY had 6 starts. CHAD has had 5 yrs"
Eric Allen Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:23am EDT"Friend, this is Randy again. Why not give me a name instead of making comments anonymously? The point I made in a response to a comment was not about how Kellen or Chad played in this game or that. The question was about late comeback drives, and Kellen was the QB who helped lead the Jets to the 55-yard OT drive that defeated KC. Fans do major disservices to themselves and their arguments when they use false "facts" to support their opinions."
Hogan Said:
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 2:26pm EDT"I have stayed ouy of the QB argument(for the most part), but i will ask ths of some of the more educated fans. What does next years crop of draft QB's look like. Cause if its any good I may be tempted to stay away from this years class."
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Hogan Said:
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 3:55pm EDT"I think SWEED is the tall WR we have been waiting for."