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File Under: Mike Tannenbaum, Eric Mangini, Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Sedrick Ellis, Vernon Gholston, combine workouts
02/19 — It's been fairly quiet around the Jets' training complex recently, with coaches and scouts and a few players coming and going but most of the players still chillin' until the off-season strength and conditioning program begins next month.
But unrestricted free agency and the draft beckon, so the chatter will start to increase again, beginning this week. I'll be traveling to the NFL Combine workouts in Indianapolis on Wednesday and will begin reporting from Thursday through the weekend on what the top collegiate prospects are saying and how they're doing.
The Jets contingent to the combines for the third year will be led by general manager Mike Tannenbaum and head coach Eric Mangini, and Mangini is among the NFL coaches expected to address reporters later in the week. I can't comment on who the Jets like or don't like at the combines, but I'll pass on all the "notes, quotes and anecdotes" that I can from the bowels of the RCA Dome.
Eric Allen will also be contributing stories from Long Island, and EA and I will reprise our "radio show" from the Super Bowl venue in Phoenix with some shorter interviews that you'll be able to find on our Multimedia Home page beginning Thursday.
Some of you have asked about starting a Radar entry related to the draft so you can put up some comments related to whom you think the Jets should pursue and whom they should steer clear of. Of course, many of you are already expressing yourselves in that regard at the end of whatever blog topics are available.
It's all good, in my opinion, but this week will kick off a series of blogs and news stories devoted to the combines and the draft, including the first of this year's reports from the independent experts I've come to greatly respect at Real Football Services.
So wait for a topic that appeals to you, or don't wait and let everyone hear what you're thinking. For those scoring at home, we've recently posted our 8,000th comment from you the fans and we're pushing on toward 10 grand before we reach our first anniversary. Thanks again for your remarks and enthusiasm. Your response has been truly amazing since we opened for business last April.
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To stir the pot a little, we're starting to see the first of the serious mock drafts. Many sites and publications are putting them up, but here are three of recent vintage and wide circulation, all of which mention a certain linebacker from The Ohio State University in connection with the Green & White.
My good friend Don Banks of Sports Illustrated has begun cranking out his regular mocks and today's second Banks mock on SI.com mentions Vernon Gholston along with Darren McFadden.
"With Thomas Jones on hand, New York isn't really in need of a No. 1 rusher, but McFadden may be too tempting to pass up given that some believe he's the closest thing to Adrian Peterson in this year's draft," Banks writes in selecting Arkansas' "Run DMC" for the Jets with their sixth overall pick. "USC's Ellis and Ohio State defensive end-outside linebacker Vernon Gholston are two other sensible options for the Jets."
Matt Pitzer has also come out with a listing in USA Today that he advises is not a mock draft as much as it is an emphasis of teams' early needs at the combine workouts. Of the Jets, Pitzer says:
"Improving the defensive line is a priority here, too, and the Jets would love to see [Virginia's Chris] Long fall as he comes from a 3-4 defensive front similar to the Jets'. Otherwise, they might try to determine whether Southern California DT Ellis can play nose tackle or if Ohio State's Vernon Gholston is a fit as a 3-4 pass rusher."
And a few days ago, Pete Prisco of CBS Sportsline submitted his first mock of the year, and rather than dance around with McFadden, Ellis or Long for the Jets, Prisco cuts right to the Buckeye chase.
"Gholston is a defensive end in the 4-3 defense, but he would fit the Jets' 3-4 as an outside rusher. He had some pass-rush wins against [Michigan OT] Jake Long."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (46)Michael Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:51pm EDT"hey jets fan finally the Jets sign someone.it is Artrell Hawkins.Great article randy and have fun and the combine"
Dunnie Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 6:28pm EDT"Hogan ... what beat the Pats in teh Super Bowl ?? O or D ? Answer ... D. We need to DOMINATE on D and then build the O. We aren't drafting a QB this year so building on our D is the right way to go. I say Gholston in round 1 and a stud WR in round 2. "
Ira Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 6:55pm EDT"Randy, Congrats on your reaching your 8,000th comment. This has been the best part of following the Jets. Hawkins signed by the Jets means Eric Coleman's days as a Jet are over. He will probably reunite with Herm in KC. Hawkins is for depth and will probably take that #4 safety spot unless some young kid beats him out in camp."
endzone kenny Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 7:51pm EDT"hey randy, your right its been too quiet at the jets facility.first things first. when are they going to fire sutton. should have been done right after the chiefs game.and hogan is right , we need help on the o-line first and as far as the d fence , all we need right now is a good speedy pass rusher. if we dont protect the quaterback and open some holes for the running game, we'll be 2-14 in 2008."
Ablity Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 8:54pm EDT"here we go again another offseason where the jets doesn't get any big need at big places. last year the secondary was not the problem we ended up 8th against the pass lead by SS kerry Rhode. we need to go after fenca from pittburg, he is the numberone sign this offseason allot of team want him and it would be nice if the Jets win him. i dont want to hear about signing like this. WE NEED BIG NAMES."
chris Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:05pm EDT"i agree the o line needs some help bad, maybe jones will run better if he actually has someone where to run. i would love to see chris long fall that far hes a beast but that michigan tackle Jake long i think he is would really be a big help for us."
Brian Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:05pm EDT"we have to go o-line in free agency and pass rusher in the draft. but first make sure LC is happy and SIGN KERRY RHODES TO A LONG TERM DEAL. GIVE HIM HIS MONEY"
Pete Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:26pm EDT"I love this time of year! Keep giving us something to hold onto Randy. Please fix both the offensive and defensive lines. Really bad last year."
Rich Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 11:00pm EDT"Im worried about the o-line for next year... and the running back position. Looks like Jones doesn't have a whole lot left in him. Defensive pass rushing is another thing to look at for the 08 draft. Course us jets fans dont even know who will be starting at QB."
Russell Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 11:12pm EDT"On the defensive side of the ball, I think the Jets should try to sign one of three DE/OLB players. Odom of Tennessee, Pace of Arizona, or McCray of Jacksonville. Then at # 6, draft DE/OLB Gholston of Ohio St. On the offensive side of the ball, at the RT position, I like one of three players. M.Williams of Jacksonville, Loper of Tennessee, a restricted free agent, or Harris from San Francisco."
JetsWin1 Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 12:21am EDT"Woody...please no PSL's in the new stadium. Give the fans who have supported your team and dug into their pockets year in and year out, the appreciation they deserve. Please don't shut out the true fans. You're splitting the costs of building this stadium and I can't wait for it. But I'll never step foot in it if I'm frozen out with a PSL for my season tix. That's college fund $ I can't spend"
Major Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 7:59am EDT"The O Line can be addressed with FA but a great pass rusher is always hard to come by. Get that pass rusher at #6, its a no brainer. BT is not holding up his end of his new contract, he was dissapointing again."
Brian Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 8:19am EDT"O-Line is a need, but from what I read no o-lineman outside jake long is worth the contract that goes to at 7th pick, screwed up payment system, but its just how it works. Id like gholston personally."
Xavion Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 8:29am EDT"I think Gholston would be great fit In the jets 3-4 I watched plenty of Ohio state Games and think he with an effort can become a really great pass rusher he reminds me of Abraham. I also think we should fix OL In FA maybe draft someone late. Second round I think we should look to WR or would Love to see Felix Jones Snatched or a solid Corner, I think the interior DL will be fine."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 9:13am EDT"The Jets should look at Alge Crumpler he is a good tight end & with our QB situation I think it would be a great signing. If Kellen starts a young QB needs a good tight end as a security blanket & if Chad starts a weak armed QB needs a good tight end it works out either way."
Mike Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 9:56am EDT"First pick should zero in on the player with the best potential to make an impact as a playmaker on defense. After that it has to be all about the offence starting witht that abysmal line."
Hogan Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 10:30am EDT"I agree with Brian. I think our # 1 priorty right now is making sure L. Coles and Kerry Rhodes are happy and staying here!!!"
Ira Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 10:59am EDT" iIwould say if C.Long is off the board the Jets would trade down. But the Jets and Pats will both be looking for a OLB and the Jets may not be able to trade down because of the Pats #7 pick right behind them. Goodell should've taken away that #7 pickinstead of the 31st pick. Gholston is the hot name for the Jets right now. If C. Long gets by the Dolphins he could fall to the Jets at #6. "
Ira Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:20am EDT"Hogan, Rhodes should get a new deal. Can't see them going into next year with him being a FA after next season. LC was made a good offer from the Jets. 11 million guaranteed for 2 years is nothing to sneeze at. Would be shocked if the Jets offer any more. I want LC to finish his career as a Jet but I wouldn't extend him anymore except for a 3rd and 4th year that wouldn't be guaranteed."
Hogan Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:30am EDT"True DUNNIE but if you ask me,while not exactly dominante, you could not ask for a much better responce from our D than last year. The D did there job, and you cant win without putting points on the board. Also it was a joint effort of O and D that won the SB."
Russell Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:32am EDT"To Brian and Hogan: I agree with you getting Rhodes resigned but as far as Coles is concerned, he still has two years remaining on his contract and he's already complaining. Show him the door now, trade him to Herm in KC for a draft pick. If Houston releases TE Jeb Putzier, Jets should try to acquire him."
Troy Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:44am EDT"those of you who think Thomas Jones is a washed up back Your crazy.The guy had how many games with 5 or less carries in the 2nd half of games,ran behind one of the worse o lines in the league with no passing game at all ,give the guy a break he still ran for a over a 1000 yrds "
Michael-Patrick in LA Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 12:36pm EDT"So many issues to address, however, how about the Jets and Lions go straight up and swap Vilma for Roy Williams. Both need new teams, both are coming off injury ,but should be healthy, and both fill huge needs respectively. This is what creative teams do BEFORE the draft, allowing for exact choices on draft day..."
Ablity Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 12:45pm EDT"some dude on nfl network deresected the jets secondary and he thinks we should draft a DB for the second year in a row. if the jets do anything dum like that this offseason i will no longer be a jets fan. i just quit on football. the greatest thing the jets did this season was that we ended up top ten aganst the pass and lead by kerry rhode who by the way need a big contract we have great DBs. VG."
Ablity Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 12:52pm EDT"that dude is out of his mind if the jets take a corner. if there is anything that DB can do that revis can we can teach revis to do it. hank potect and revis are good man to man covers and they need a pass rusher to make this defense great. while everybody was saying chirs long I was always saying lets get the end from ohio. Gloston is great rusher because he has the speed and the power to be good"
ablity Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 12:57pm EDT"there is why i like gloston so much. watch him against j.long who is a power blocker who is not very quick so on some plays gloston would just run around him and get the sack, yes he has that kind of speed can run a 4.6 in the fourty. he also is very big with allot of power and he ca nbull rush when you think he is try to speed by them. chirs long only has one move and that is the bull rush think."
Ira Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 1:12pm EDT"Henderson will be an excellent DB coach. He will be able to get thru to the players because of his experience of being an ex-player and DOPD. This is a very good move by Eric."
emanuel Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 1:23pm EDT"I would love to see the jets trade down with dallas.for their two first rounders +their third and sixth rounder. with all the talented juniors entering the draft.this would give the jets the opportunity to build on both sides of the ball.I will wait till after the combine to list my mock draft."
Howard Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 2:27pm EDT"i believe the jets might go after the fa rt from the bengals that they brought in last summer and draft a speed outside guy everyone is saying golston but i still like the kid at auburn groves. in rd 2 take a guard for the left side and rd 3 wr or big body d tackle"
scjoe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 3:02pm EDT"I have been watching all the mocks and I believe Gholston is a no brainer, I just hope he is still there at six. I think Cedrick Ellis is going to be a great player, but just don't fit the Jets system, not unless they go back to the 4/3 Can you imagine Robertson and Ellis in the middle with Harris behind them? Will not happen though."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 3:46pm EDT"Ah the smoke screen of the NFL Draft.Firstly,if anyone thinks Parcells will take anything else but a QB or trade at #1,they are nuts.He passed on Pace!2ndly what would we need Golston for?Hes too small!I cant believe NO ONE is putting Calais Cambell in the top 10.At 6'8" he is a slim 280 perfect fit for 3-4 OLB.If he slips to NE we are in trouble.Watch DB Patrick Lee fly from 3RD to early 2Nd."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 3:54pm EDT"Mr.Tanibaum please for the love of NY make a trade for WR Roy Williams of Detroit!Send them Vilma,D-Rob, Chad,anything!I would throw my wife into the trade too,if it would help!Then Coles could do and say whatever he wants,but no one will listen to an old third WR.Although Coles as a slot sounds nice.It would definately preserve his career,plus give him less leverage."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 4:06pm EDT"Lastly Asante Samuel is too pricey.Give D.Coleman a shot!Plus draft Patrick Lee.Shore up that O-Line and PAY TE BAKER.How dare you people mention Crumpler!Doesnt anybody see what kind of clutch catches Baker makes when hes actually aloud to go out for a pass instead of babysitting Ferguson?"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 4:19pm EDT"& Lastly after lastly,Dorsey is slipping fast.Following is Mcfadden who shouldnt be mentioned in the same paragraph as Peterson!Felix Jones should go before him.Early Predictions,Dallas falls apart(usually happens with a player friendly coach,HERM)Jets 10-6 knocking NE out in NEW YORK(we win Div.)Without video resources & an old exposed team,Puss Face is DONE!Walsh for mayor of NY,Bloomberg4 Pres!"
Drew Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:19pm EDT"Nice signing w/ Hawkins.. he will add some depth to the secondary. This does mean our boy E Coleman is done. He was a nice late round pick.......Ira I totally disagree with your J Gage theory. If we are going to sign a guy we should look into B Johnson fron Arizona or D Henderson from NO. They are both bigger WR's with more playmaking ability than Gage. "
Drew Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:27pm EDT"Really have zero complaints about the coaching additions and upgrades. Would have liked to have seen Sutton go but hope he can conitune to be aggressive "ALL" year. Very nice move getting the Bears O'dea to work w/ specials..... When I 1st saw his name I thought it was Kevin O'shea from the movie "Little Giants" LOL Then Frank could have really killed Mangini!!"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:30pm EDT"Kevin O,Dea,nice pick up.Can he save the Aussi?I think Graham is on his way out.Nugent might not be far behind.The only time I ever felt confident that he would made the field goal was in the season finale(TWICE)!Thanks Nuge!It wont hurt us in the first round as much as the later rounds where KC is looking to fill the same positions as us."
Ira Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 7:27pm EDT"Good to see they hired a ST's coach with some experience. He has worked with some very good ST players and will be taking over a tuff spot with Westhoff stepping down for now. Good Luck to Coach O'Dea. GO JETS!"
Charlie Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 9:54pm EDT"I banned myself from all things football once the superbowl contenders were determined. I think that's the only way I got through. Well said JetsWin1 on the PSL's. I agree with you, but I highly doubt we won't see them. I wish the Bengals would have franchised J. Smith instead of S. Andrews. Time to wait and see how the draft plays out."
DAMONE Said:
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 10:19pm EDT"IT IS TOO BAD THERE IS A LITTLE DROP OFF IN TALENT IN THIS YEARS DRAFT,BUT ALL THE REAL JET FANS KNOW WE ONLY NEED AROUND TWO MORE GOOD PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM AND EVERYTHING WILL BE WORKING JUST FINE.GOOD PICK UP WITH THE SPECIAL TEAM COACH O'DEA!I AGREE THAT GHOLSTON WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST CHOICE OR TRADE."
Ira Said:
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 7:15am EDT"Drew, Yes Hawkins does have experience and is familar with their system from his Pats days but why was he out of football last year with no known injuries?"
Ira Said:
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 7:41am EDT"Drew, Gage is a more physical WR than Henderson or Johnson is. Their #'s are very similar. Respect your opinion but i would go with Gage and Gage is bigger than both of them."
Derick Said:
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 9:35am EDT"Why don't we just skip the combine and the draft and just pick up all the players that the patriots cut. It seems ;ike that's all this regime does anyway."
Frank Said:
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 9:51am EDT"Drew your too funny. It's good to see all the fan involvement in these posts although some of the postings make good entertainment. Here we go again J. Gage is not a difference maker. Again I scream without major improvement on the O-Line we wil have a repeat of last year. For the record Brick did not improve he regressed he also gave up the most sacks by a LT in the NFL. This must be addressed."
Braeden Said:
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 10:57am EDT"Oh, sweet the cobine stuff is out. I dont see why Ghoulston is so great, i gotta see some stats. I still want McFadden more than him. And what about Lance Briggs, cant we get him? As for Atrtrell hawkins, he looks pretty good, looks like he can pick of passes. Hes got 10 picks through 8 years."
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Hogan Said:
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:19pm EDT"Why so much emphesis on the D. If you ask me from what we have seen it is the O' line ,and the offense in general, that needs more Help."
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