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File Under: Mike Tannenbaum, Thomas Jones, Curtis Martin, news conference
01/07 — One thing that struck me during the season was how similar several key aspects of Thomas Jones' game were to those of Curtis Martin when he first arrived as the Jets' featured back for the 1998 season.
Not everything is a perfect match, of course. Their running styles differ, as do their personalities. But as I complete entering data for Jones' season in areas such as yards per carry, fumbles, tackles for loss/no gain, and playing through the aches and pains of football, some strong shared characteristics come through.
In Martin's case, those characteristics bore more fruit in succeeding years as he continued to hold tightly onto the ball, reduced the tackles behind the line and the average yardage he lost on those plays, and built to the pinnacle of his 2004 season as the NFL's leading rusher.
Jones is his own man, of course, but if he can emerge in his succeeding seasons in green and white as Martin did, that would be a good thing. Here is a comparison in several areas of TJ's and Curt's first seasons with the Jets:
| Category | Jones 2007 | Martin 1998 |
| GP/GS | 16/14 | 15/15 |
| Rushing Yards | 1119 | 1287 |
| Attempts | 310 | 369 |
| Yards/Attempt | 3.6 | 3.5 |
| Touchdowns | 1 | 8 |
| Receiving Yards | 217 | 365 |
| Receptions | 28 | 43 |
| Yards/Reception | 7.8 | 8.5 |
| Touchdowns | 1 | 1 |
| Avg. Yards After Catch | 8.0 | 9.0 |
| Yards/Offensive Touch | 4.0 | 4.0 |
| Yards Tackled for Loss/No Gain | -78 | -112 |
| Attempts | 61 | 82 |
| Avg. Yards Lost/Attempt | -1.3 | -1.4 |
| Fumbles/Lost | 2/0 | 5/1 |
| Penalties/Yards | 1/5 | 0/0 |
Tannenbaum Talks Today
One who hasn't weighed in on the Jets' recently completed season yet but will be heard from today is general manager Mike Tannenbaum, who just concluded his second season heading up the Green & White front office.
Mike T will be available to Jets reporters at a news conference scheduled to be held in the media room at the Jets complex today at 1 p.m.
The news conference will not be streamed live on newyorkjets.com. But Eric Allen will file a news story on the Tannenbaum "presser" later this afternoon, and we expect to have a transcript of the Q&A and video of the news conference available on our site no later than Tuesday.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (54)Ira Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:41pm EST"Randy, Very interesting comparison. I wouldn't put Jones in Curtis' shoes but he did have less to work with to his credit. In 98 Vinny had that great year with 29 TD's and3,256 yds and Key and Chrebet each had over 1,000 yds receiving. So actually Jones might have had a better year than Curtis had if the Jets offense didn't have the problems it had. Our running game is good if we get a line."
tasdog80 Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:52pm EST"give thomas jones an oline and he will get u 1500yds and give clements time to throw the ball to a big wide out (chad johnson) then we will be in the super bowl"
Barry Richards Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:54pm EST"Randy, In the off season we need to bring in a good veteran quarterback behind Clemens. Trade Chad and Vilma (too undersize)and try to get another big brutal ILB with Harris. We need to upgrade our OLB core as well. I like Pouha as nose tackle, Ellis and Ferguson on opposite sides of him. Trade Mclarens. Give D'Brick a wakeup slap, and add two more good receivers. Playoffs next year."
Ira Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 2:25pm EST"Randy, The only #'s that are not really even are the TD's. If the Jets were able to produce in the redzone Jones' TD #'s would have been near that 8 mark too. A lot of C.Johnson talk continues. Would love to see him catching TD's for the Jets."
Charles Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 2:40pm EST"Randy, I think the data is very interesting and I see a close relationship. I think Thomas is a very commited and talented back for our team. He will contine to be an asset to the organization. I think the Jets need to improve their ability to protect the QB and open more holes for Thomas Jones. The defense has improved considerably and I am confident that they can go against anyone! Charles D"
Keith Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 2:55pm EST"Im not too impressed with the college class coming out this year. I'd like to see the Jets utilize the free agent market and try to make some trades that will improve this team right away. If they rely mainly on the draft and what they already have its going to be another long yr in 08. I'd like to see Robertson and Pennington traded; sign Haynesworth and move Vilma to OLB."
Drew Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 2:56pm EST"I want to start by saying I loved the TJ trade and really like him as our featured back. In saying that I thought TJ left some yards on the field at times this year. I know the line was awful and he did a good job overall. I just never got that feeling when #28 ran the ball...ever. Plus I never worried about Martin picking up the blitz. Again I really like TJ but we were spolied with Curtis."
DaveB Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:24pm EST"HEY JET FANS, WE JUST CAME OFF A 4-12 DISSASTER SEASON, PLEASE STOP RECKING YOUR BRAINS ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS WE NEED TO BRING IN AND SHOULD WE KEEP CHAD PENNINGTON, OR WHAT PLAYER WE CAN GET FOR JOHNATHAN V...WHY DON'T WE ALL JUST SIT BACK AND RELAX AND WATCH SOME GOOD FOOTBALL TEAMS PLAY THIS WEEKEND, ARE YOU NOT HAPPY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH ANOTHER JET GAME THIS YEAR...SEE YOU IN 08 GO HOME JETS!"
Ira Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:43pm EST"Drew, Anybody would be spoiled having Curtis and its hard on Jones or any other player trying to follow a player like Curtis.. But the numbers are what they are and Jones does deserve some credit. Curtis was just so special on and off the field. "
DAMONE Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 5:26pm EST"I DONT KNOW WHY SHOTTY DIDN'T HAVE LEON GO ON SOME RB OPTION ROUTES(MIA GAME LAST YEAR).WHERE WAS THAT PLAY AT ALL YEAR?IT'S PRETTY QUICK AND EASY.TJ WILL GET ANOTHER "THOU" NEXT YR,+SOME!!"
Tanner Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 5:30pm EST"Sounds like were keeping chad which is great, he gives us a better chance to win then clemens and even if we draft a qb itll take a season or so to show what they got. I think we should improve our oline get chad johnson and get a pass rucher"
Legend Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 6:40pm EST"i ddnt think that the jets need that much of a change in the defence the D played well its just the amount of time they spent on the field because of the offence's inability to score which made them look really mediocre"
Ira Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 7:30pm EST"Clearly Chad gives the Jets the best chance to win heading into next season. Not a knock on Clemens but he is not beating out Chad in a competITion in camp next summer. Hope Chad does remain a Jet. Just don't see that happening. It would present the same scenario that they had this year. Why would Chad want that when he knows he can be a starter somewhere else without looking over his shoulder."
chad Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 8:44pm EST"to everyone clamoring for the jets to sign haynesworth - be prepared to give up 2 first round picks because he will most definately be franchise tendered if he's not signed to a long term deal by tennesee. so you can forget it."
Frank Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 8:59pm EST"Stats aside TJ is nowhere near the class of Curtis. Sorry as bad as O-line was TJ left way too many yards on the field and he is not even close coming out of the backfield at times I felt I was watching Barlow again too slow to the line. Second, there is no way Jets keep Chad of course Tangini is going to say all the right things and I expect more sunshine so as not to diminish Chad's trade value"
Frank Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 9:08pm EST"Expanding more on Chad no way Tangini goes to camp with a QB controversy because no matter what happens he will be second guessed the entire season and the potential for another lockerroom problem like this year. Chad, Vilma and Coles are all goners. We need draft picks to be able to work the draft and to trade. Ellis needs to go while we can get something for him. "
Drew Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 10:18pm EST"Your are correct Ira. I thought TJ did a really good job this year. He is a legit featured RB.....Funny thing is as much as I loved Curtis I was really upset when we let L Jordan after Martin won the rushing title. You just got the feeling #28 was near the end after that year. We were spoiled with him though. He did everything so well. "
zartan Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:09am EST"i love chad P but ...how is it that he does not understand that you have to get the ball to the receivers quickly.stop with the sloMo lobs.with that said I hope the JETS draft Chad Henne in the 3-4th round LB o-line 1st 2 picks.JETS will take flight again!!!!!"
Vaughn Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:56am EST"Nice post Randy, but here's a question for you. Do the Jets take McFadden at the 6th spot if he's available? The Saints took Bush when they had Deuce, the Vikings took Peterson when they had Chester, should the Jets take McFadden when they have Thomas? Of course I hope by the time the draft rolls around they will have aquired a guard or something to help that line, but this will be interesting. "
Doobie Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:06am EST"where can i find this chad johnson talk is it in the paper's or on tv .ONE THING I CAN SAY IF WE DO GET HIM HE WONT LAST LONG WITH CHAD LEAVING HIM OUT TO DRY PLUS HE LIKES THE DEEP BALL AND HE NEEDS THE BALL IN STRIDE NOT FLOATING TO HIM OR A 5YRD OUT PATTERN /CHAD NEEDS TO MUCH HELP GD OLINE GD RB BY NEXT SEASON DB'S WILL JUST SIT ON HIS ROUTES."
Jesse Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:32am EST"The trade to get TJ was a steal for Jets and I loved it! The O-line was terrible but TJ still pulled off 1000 yds. If a miracle comes out and the line gets fix I think we'll have that two headed monster in the back field like we wanted!"
Ira Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:08am EST"McFadden will never last to #6 plus if that were to happen the Jets would get plenty of trade offers for that pick. I actually like Ray Rice to be a better pro than McFadden. Drew your're right about Jordan but he wanted to be the feature back and Curtis just led the league in rushing. You couldn't pay him what the Raiders gave him. He will be available soon after the Raiders release him."
TJ Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:18am EST"I know everyone is praising TJ on his running this year, but getting to 1000 yards a back only needs 62.5ypg during a 16 game season. If TJ is healthy he should be getting to atleast 1300 which is just over 80ypg. Its time for the team to step up and earn their millions a year. I mean come on they are getting paid to work out and perform, why can't they don't that for us fans?!?"
Brandon Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:52am EST"Don't get caught up in the Oncho hype. There is a reason is is out of Cincy McFadden is a talent we all know that, but a RB is the least of our problems We need to get bigger upfront (a la Haynesworth) and we need to get faster at linebacker whether it via FA(Terrell Suggs) or the draft We also need a LG and a RT I think if we solve this we can win games I want Matt Ryan but Chris Long works 4 me."
Dunnie Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 11:26am EST"I am really tired of hearing criticism about TJ. The guy is awesome. Our line was on of the worst in football this year. Curtis had plenty of games where he left yards on the field ... did it make him any less great ??? no. TJ is a stud ... it'd be a shame if we don't fix the OL see that next year. Anybody else curious about Little Animal ? Might be a nice addition to our linebackers."
Josh Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 11:29am EST"We have only one positional issue: quarterback. At QB, we need a quarterback with arm strength, poise and accuracy. Pennington has great accuracy and poise but he doesn't get the downfield to make big plays and that's what we needed this past season. Clemens has great arm strength but I didn't see much poise or accuracy from him. That will be the difference between a winning or losing season."
Drew Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:57pm EST"Just a couple of thoughts...Haynsworth is a 4-3 tackle. He is not coming to the Jets to eat blocks in the 3-4( plus he's restricted) Mcfadden is a major longshot to be at#6...Plus I like Leon and TJ running the ball. Fix the line and those guys wil get big yards. Dunnie...I love "Little Animal" (even though I pull for UM) but fear he might fall into the Vilma mold of getting caught up in our 3-4."
Xavion Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:45pm EST"Some of you are severly misinformed its not how many yards TJ got that is making him a great back its How often he got yards... all season long hed get 2-3 yards when I see opps for more he is not that great of a runner the KC game was his best running of the year. He tries to spin too much instead of bouncing out or cutting. and a lot of games Honestly hes just an ok-solid back we can do better"
Xavion Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:48pm EST"Also Can we please stiop with the misconception that chad cant throw a deep ball? Chad throws a beautiful deep ball. His problem is he has no Zip on his passes not the deep throw. so everyone who doesnt know the diff should stop commenting On QB play. and why is everyone quick to get rid of young vets for draft picks. Thats basically saying next year is just rebuildng and forget about playoffs."
Major Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 3:24pm EST"I say Kudos for keeping Chad. I think Clemens will do much better in his second year with a repaired O-line. Chad makes for a great insurance policy and can be effective if needed. The FA journeymen pool stinks this year so hang on to Chad!! P.S. Drew is right Haynesworth looks great in a 4-3 allignment (so did D-Rob) 3-4 is what needs to be scrapped!!"
Alain Audain Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:10pm EST"I still believe in chad. If we can get some protection for chad.( the pete kendall fiasco was a mess ) he can pick apart most secondaries. It will also help T.jones. Now..defense..get Albert Hanesworth...move jonathan vilma to outside linebacker to get after the QB. Move hobson who is a lot bigger to ILB along with harris. "
Jason Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:39pm EST"Get D-Brick the workout he needs this off-season and he'll come around. Draft the fastest WR you can find in the 1st round, 2 O-Lineman in the 2nd & 3rd, and leave the defense alone. The secondary ranks with the best in the league; Vilma and Harris will be a nast combo in the middle, and the D-Line just needs to hit the weights the next 6 months. Chad leads the Jets to playoff victories in '08"
Steve Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:32pm EST"Frank, I don't often agree with you but I think you are right on Chad and L.C. not being here next year but I think Vilma stays. I think his performance in the 3-4 seems as if it was not a fit but I really suspicion he has played hurt the last several years. If you remember he was convinced he wasn't hurt this year but surgery proves otherwise. I think he stays and the LBs will be stout in CY08!"
Steve Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:36pm EST"Frank, by the way I agree on CP & LC not being here but I think it will hurt the Jets. CP wants out and I think LC does as well. Mr. T joked about a chat with Chad but it sounds as if Chad said something on his way out. A QB that is staying especially CP stops to talk with the GM & does not walk by. I figure the conversation was :Mr. T. I am not playing here as a backup next year have a good day!!"
Charlie Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:47pm EST"#3 draft picks from 97-05 - S. Springs, A. Wadsworth, Akili Smith, C. Samuels, G. Warren, J. Harrington, A Johnson, L. Fitzgerald, B. Edwards. #6 picks for same time. W. Jones, G. Winstrom, T. Holt, C.Simon, R. Seymour, R. Sims, J. Sullivan, K. Winslow, Pacman Jones. I think the #6 class is better than #3. Good thing we beat the Chiefs!!"
Andrew Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:57pm EST"I am apprehensive at how little attention is being paid to the fact that we could potentially have three new coordinators in08.Westhoff will be sorely missed,Sutton needs to go,and Schotts tried to be far to cute until it became obvious to all that we were a one trick pony.These gentleman need to held as accountable as the players and Mike&Eric need to be very diligent in their search to replace ."
Ira Said:
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:16pm EST"Sure Albert Haynesworth looks like the sexy FA signing right now. But everybody think again about this. Drew is right he is a 4-3 guy and sure he could adjust to a 3-4 you would hope. The big problem is how do you think his stupid penalty this past week and stepping on another players head last year will be looked upon by Eric and Mr.T. I would say not very well."
Charles Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 1:42am EST"Hey you Jet fans need to take a chill pill. The season is over just sit back and relax and see what happens in the off season. You guys are acting like a bunch of headless chickens with your ranting. LOL I know you guys are upset from this season so am I but enough already just let the off season take it's course and watch the Playoffs. Go Jets 08"
chris Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 8:40am EST"wow dave b i bet you feel cool. i like the idea of keeping chad. i still think we give vilma a shot at middle linebacker next to harris and keep hobson and barton. the o line is such a disaster its nuts. alan faneca anybody? secondary looks good maybe a pass rusher? anything for hope in 08"
Jesse Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 9:33am EST"Uh, I don't think Haynesworth would fit our defense Suggs would fit in! I don't know in the draft if we go offensive I can see us getting OT Jake Long or OT Sam Baker. But most likely we'll go defense and get some 3-4 personal like DE Chris Long, DE Cakis Campbell, or DT Sedrick Ellis. Any those guys would be perfect for a 6th pick we'll just have to see what happens in free agency first!"
Charlie Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 12:18pm EST"Charles, the fact that your still visiting newyorkjets.com and reading the blogs suggests that you are still in fact interested in what's being said. I, for one, hope the posts keep coming all throughout the offseason. Anyone see any speculation on a new ST coordinator? Maybe we can lure Larry Pasquale out of retirement."
Ira Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 1:38pm EST"Westhoff has more important issues dealing with his health but if he has the time who better than to help Eric get a ST coach. As Charlie said Randy's Radar is a big hit and the posts are good to read in and offseason. "
DaveB Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 3:06pm EST"someone said Jacksonville over N.E...(FORGET ABOUT IT)..nobody beat them all year(hello 16-0) and it sure won't happen saturday in frigid N.E..i am a true jet fan, and i hate N.E. but give them credit.they are VERY GOOD!! Hey " chris" i know you love Chad P, but i watched QB's in the college bowl games with arms 20 TIMES STRONGER THAN HIS, just face it, he can't make the throws anymore....go jets"
Ed the Jet Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 5:08pm EST"The numbers for Thomas Jones and Curtis Martin are almost Identical. hopefully he can turn out to be the running back Curtis was. and the teammate as well. Go Jets."
Drew Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 7:20pm EST"I know P Willis had a nice year out in SF. But this guy makes the Pro Bowl & the All-Pro team?? I admit I (Big Michigan fan) have talked D Harris up all year but I thought he had a better year than P Willis and J Beason for that matter. Look at the Jets D when he started!! Look at his stats and he started 6 less games than Willis. P Willis gets all the press and his team was just as bad. Amazing!"
Ira Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 7:32pm EST"Ed, Maybe Jones can turn into the same type of teammate that Curtis was but Jones is not a Hall Of Fame RB. Not too many are. Jones should give the Jets another solid 2 -3 years if he stays healthy and then the Jets will have to get a new back. Jones would then be 32 yrs old and he would then be on the down side. At 1300 yds each of the next 3 seasons that would put him over the 10,000 mark."
Ablity Said:
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 8:40pm EST"Drew i get what your saying i am not about to compare Harris and Willis. Willis started 16 games with 174 takles in a defesive that wasn't good at doing anything and with their offense that tribble and keep the defense on the flied all day long. and Willlis is in the 4-3 which any young and explosive MLB can get many takles look at Vilam in his 2nd year it 3-4 MLB is hard. Jones has get skills OG."
Ira Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 9:36am EST"One of the most underated players the Jets have ever had is still ticking and made the AP All-Pro Team again. Congrats to Lorenzo Neal. He would've been perfect for this offense now."
mark Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 10:31am EST"I know we got 6th in the draft. But I'm dreamin' we get Dorsey to fill the long time DT need. Does anyone know what all the other draft numbers are that we hold to negotiate with?"
Joe Wille Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 12:21pm EST"Ira, Neal is only one of a long list of talented, winning athletes that are helping other teams succeed. This travesty in judgement and policy is a fundamental reason for the franchise's continuing epic history of failure. That impact, difference making, players won't be employed here in the near future because they are not Boy Scouts with zippers on their mouths is a disgrace to Jet fans. "
Ira Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 2:33pm EST"Very good D's will always win in this league. 5 out of the top 7 teams in pts allowed are playing this weekend. Those are the Colts, SD,GB,Sea,and Pats. The Colts were #1 giving up a league low of 16.4 pts per game. BTW the other 2 teams in that top 7 were Pit and Tampa who both lost last weekend."
charlie Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 4:39pm EST"i see mangini has spoken with callahan and that Tampa is interested as well. Isn't Bill Muir still running their line down there? We usually had pretty good lines under him. I wonder if they're looking to replace him. Doubt we'd try to bring him back but interesting food for thought anyway."
Captain Jet Said:
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 10:53pm EST"Coaches! We don't need no stikin coaches! We need some beef on both defensive and offensive line. We need to draft a nose like Vince Wilfork of the pats and make a free agent move for Albert Haynesworth. Maybe move Vilma for a draft pick and get another guard to replace kendall. Our speciality players are great we just need some beef in the trenches. Maybe a tall receiver late in the draft . "
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Charlie Said:
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:18pm EST"I really like TJ as a runner (and someone who doesn't put the ball on the ground). That said, the numbers don't look too bad for the year but as we know, numbers can be deceiving. Too many times we were put in 2nd and long and it seems a lot of his yards came from end of half/end of game, take what the prevent defense gives you. Hope next year his yards come at the right time."
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