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File Under: Chad Pennington, Eric Mangini, Chris Baker, Kellen Clemens, Richard Seymour
12/19 — The Jets' quarterback situation for Tennessee didn't get any clearer after Kellen Clemens made his weekly appearance in front of Jets reporters less than an hour ago.
Clemens, polite as always, sidestepped a few questions about his injury against the Patriots and how many reps he got at practice.
"Anything about practice today, probably you'd better ask Coach Mangini," Clemens said.
My good friend Dave Hutchinson of The Star-Ledger tried to sneak some info out of the second-year man who was KO'd from his seventh pro start after only two plays, first asking about Clemens' shoulder, then his rib, but Clemens proved he was ready for the end-around: "It all falls under the same category, Hutch."
Eric Mangini said before practice that Clemens' physical condition "is the key issue here, because you have to evaluate the number of reps, the quality of reps, the things he can do in practice and going into the game seeing where he is in terms of his overall health and his ability to function based on his week of preparation.
"It's like with any injury, there are things that you have to work through, and that does affect your preparation," Mangini added. "We have to see how much that affects it, how much he's able to do, how effective he is in his preparation and then his ability to go out and execute on Sunday."
On today's just-released injury report, Clemens is listed as having limited participation at practice with a rib injury.
Both Mangini and Clemens were in agreement when asked what the QB's season to date and his possible participation in the final two games may say about his viability as the Jets' long-term starter.
"We're dealing with Tennessee right now," Mangini said, "so we really haven't looked at it in those terms."
"That's a decision that's probably going to come from upstairs," KC said. "My job is to focus on Tennessee and preparing for them the best I can. That's how I'm approaching it."
And in case there was any doubt about the INT-return TD Clemens threw to Eugene Wilson as he was getting crushed by Richard Seymour on the Jets' second offensive play, Clemens said:
"The intention of the throw was to put it somewhere about the third row of seats. ... Of all the places for that ball to land, that definitely was the least preferred."
Stats All, Folks
Some statistical points on New England before we get any closer to Tennessee:
Upon further review, the Jets lost 2 yards of offense against the Patriots. Chris Baker was credited with a 10-yard reception to the Patriots 15 on his third-quarter fumble, but LB Adalius Thomas actually swatted the ball loose at the 17. So it's an 8-yard reception, reducing Baker's receiving yardage to 64, Chad Pennington's passing yardage to 184, and the Jets' offensive yardage to 234.
Mangini, Pennington and the Jets were right to express their disappointment in the Jets' red-zone showing at New England. Remember, the Patriots were next-to-last in red-zone TD percentage defense, and still the Jets managed three points on four trips inside the Pats' 20. The last time they scored only three points on four or more RZ trips was the 2000 season finale at Baltimore, when they had a field goal, two turnovers and a loss on downs against the Ravens.
The Jets defense had two yellow flags thrown against it at New England, the first two penalties marked off against the "D" in the last six games. The Jets had 12 men on the field in the first quarter and CB Darrelle Revis was called for illegal contact on the first play of the fourth frame.
This is probable a statistical quirk more than anything, but the Patriots — with Benjamin Watson inactive and one-time Jets first-rounder Kyle Brady leaving during the game with an injury — didn't throw one pass to their tight ends. The last time a Jets opponent didn't target its TEs with even a single pass was in the 2004 AFC Divisional playoff game at Pittsburgh. Obviously, the Jets shutting out the other team's tights doesn't lead to victory.
In Praise of the Opponent
Jeff Fisher was effusive in his praise of the Jets on today's conference call.
"They are the best 3-11 team I've ever seen," Fisher said. "They obviously have had some very difficult scheduling — you have to play New England twice and you have to play Dallas. They've played some good teams very close and they just haven't got the breaks. I've been very impressed with not only their effort last weekend but a lot of the games they've played. I've watched quite a few games. I thought their effort against Pittsburgh was great."
Needless to say, Fisher may well be in smoke-blowing mode. But I examined the list of such three-win teams since the mustached and beared coach took over as the Houston Oilers field boss in 1995, and based on the most important stat of all — points scored and allowed — he's not far off. The current Jets' point margin is the fourth-best among the 27 teams that started 3-11 in the last 13 seasons.
Here are the top seven based on average point differential after 14 games, with final records for the season in question plus the following season:
| Year | Team | PF | PA | Avg. Marg. | Records |
| 2005 | Green Bay | 258 | 303 | –3.2 | 4-12 / 8-8 |
| 2004 | Miami | 242 | 317 | –5.4 | 4-12 / 9-7 |
| 1997 | Arizona | 244 | 326 | –5.9 | 4-12 / 9-7 |
| 2007 | JETS | 249 | 335 | –6.1 | .... / .... |
| 1995 | Jacksonville | 251 | 339 | –6.3 | 4-12 / 9-7 |
| 1999 | Philadelphia | 210 | 317 | –7.6 | 5-11 / 11-5 |
| 2005 | JETS | 189 | 298 | –7.8 | 4-12 / 10-6 |
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Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (30)christian Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 4:32pm EST"Bring chad back! Its a ashame he will be in kansas city next year. like everyone here I wanted to hang im but it is evident that it is clearly an offensive line problem. Hats off to Mangini ---thanks for trading a way our line. Think how much better we would have been with with mawae, fabini and kendall. anyone have tissues? "
Jeremy Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 7:23pm EST"Great info, puts a few things in perspective. The JETS are still 3-11, still have no Offensive Coordinator. I think at this point it's okay to start talking draft! Run DMC vs. The LINE? As much as I want to see McFadden, it's not practical we need either LONG on the Line. But, McFadden can't go to the PATS! Best option: Free agent pool for Lineman draft McFadden & trade up for DE 1/2 rd."
Ira Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:22pm EST"Randy, Even with all their problems you take 2-3 plays in most of the games they lost and they could very well be 9-5. There is usually not much difference between 5-11 and 9-7 teams except for a few plays. The good teams make those plays and the bad ones don't."
Brandon Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:55pm EST"Most all of us were fooled by the "NFL experts" when they called for the benching of Chad. They all pointed to his arm strength like that was the only aspect that you look at when judging a QB. Never mind his pin point accuracy, his game awareness and leadership. Lets put in Kellen who has a rocket for an arm that will solve all our problems NOT! Mangini wake up and start Chad please!!!"
Marcie Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:05pm EST"Don't forget that we desperately need a QB -- KC is NOT the answer."
Richard Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:24pm EST"it should now be perfectly cleaqt to all those who said Clemens has a gun replace Chad, that a gun alone doent make it in th NFL. There are legions of q.b.s with guns who failed. Now a q.b. that can read defense, stay calm in the pocket in the face of a rush and one who has perhaps the most accurate arm in the nfl is and always shoul=d be the jets starter. Give him a better o.line and he'l win.i"
John Romagnola Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:25pm EST"The Jets have problems in every area. If they thing Clemens is the future, they are wrong. There's nothing wrong with Pennington that an offensive line couldn't solve. Maybe the Jet could draft as well as they have in the past (ie Ken O'Brien rather than Dan Marino). It's tough being a Jets fan. They sure don't make it easy to hang in there."
JB Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 10:30pm EST"I hope they keep Chad. Just look at the stat above where GB was 4-12 in 2005 and can be 14-2 in 2007. I think Chad could still play and win if we improve the Lines. "
dan s Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 11:40pm EST"Great post the chart gave me something to say to all the jet bashing i hear when i wear my jets scrubs to work. Altho living in south FL they really cant say to much to me. For me beating miami 2x is good for trash talking but if we would have beat the pats i would have been in green heaven. Im not really that sad with this season hell i remember 1 win seasons so... "
steven Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:09am EST"keep chad,he is a great qb the best we had for a long time.i reather see some coach go to kc."
Row Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 2:01am EST"Pennington will start on Sunday. As for the draft, we still NEED a real WR. We already had the line holes filled. The players are out there. Anyone hear how Coles is talking? Kellen has a bruise, I've seen him take several hits twice as hard as that. This is a stunt to give Chad a last hoorah. I don't really care, I'll watch as always, but with our OC, we will LOSE BADLY! I stick to my prediction."
Robert Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:24am EST"The linchpin event of this season was the Kendall decision. Last year's O worked in part because of Mangold and Ferguson's energy and Kendall's experience. It was clear in August that Chad and the O-game was in trouble. The message to the locker room was not subtle: we don't honor verbal promises. If the hubris of the Tannenbaum-Mangini choice isn't acknowledged more catastrophe awaits."
rudy iacono Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:05am EST"Ira you are the eternal optimist and at times it is quite annoying that you never ever take a contrarian view that these Jets stink inclusive of ownership and management. Your indictment that the Jets are a lousy team finally came to fruition when you said good teams make plays and win games while bad teams don't. "
Ira Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:06am EST"The AFC East has now become the best division in football again. Parcells will do for the Dolphins what he did for the Jets back in 97. Every team he goes to he gets them back on track. Great football person. Wonder who he brings in to be GM and HC? Hope to see Turner get a chance to play a little in these next 2 games."
Brian Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:22am EST"Great article! Time for the Jets to get a real big play receiver. I love Coles, but he is not the big threat and too injury prone. Dump McCareins and get someone on the right side of the line. Mangold and Ferguson are great, but it is obvious that the rest of the line is not up to snuff. Let us not forget the lack of Defensive pressure, when we are not blitzing, we need a rush."
Ira Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 9:17am EST"The defense has really stepped it up since the bye. The offense has continued to struggle even with a QB change. With 2 games left they have a total of 19 TD's. 13 passing and 6 rushing. In 06 they finished the regular season with a total of 32 TD's. 17 passing and 15 rushing. They need a few players for the D for next year but the O needs more help. OL,WR and the big ? QB. "
Ira Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 9:32am EST"rudy iacono, Yes i am. But you can't hide that they've had their problems this year. Its just one of those years that most teams have sooner or later. That doesn't mean they can't turn this around next year and be a playoff team. It will all depend on what they do in free agency and the draft. I expect a very good offseason to get this team back on track. GO JETS!"
Thomas Spicer Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 10:57am EST"I keep reading posts about we need a WR I do not agree Coles, Cotchery & Baker are solid. We do not need a QB, RB, WR or TE we need O line & help on Defense the only way the Jets should take a skill position player is if they take Darren McFadden. DRAFT OL, LB, DL ! "
Ira Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 11:20am EST"How they approach the draft will all depend on what needs they fill in free agency. But i do agree it would be very hard to pass up on McFadden if he was sitting there when they pick."
Schuyler Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 11:26am EST"The Jets need a good draft this off season. We need an o-lineman (guard anyone?), defensive end and a #3 receiver. I think the Jets address the d-line issue first, with Chris Long, than a receiver in the second round, maybe going after a lineman in free agency or trading for one. I think they'll draft a QB in the 4th round to back up KC. Great article on thejetsblog.com comparing Clemens stats."
Anonymous Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 11:39am EST"WE NEED COLT BRENNAN we have a good young oline"
Ira Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:19pm EST"I see the Jets signing Griese to compete with Clemens and then drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th rd."
Jet Fan in Saskatchewan Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:51pm EST"I have been a Jet fan since the age of 9 & that was some years ago. If the Jets sign Griese I will be forced to abandon them and find a new team - there is only so much further we can sink before we abandon ship! That would be making a bad situation worse! How about a pink slip for Mangini and Schott instead? Like the spunk your basketball fans showed in setting up pink slip at the arena! "
Bill Behr Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:53pm EST"The JETS need a offensive line to protect the quarterback! Everyone blams Pennigton, but it is pass protection. You can not make a good decision in 3-4 seconds. Wo need to first work on the Offense we need point to Win......"
Andrew H. Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:55pm EST"This obsession wih Kellen Clemens is so stupid, Chad Pennington be the starter injury or no injury, I'm so tired of hearing abotu arm strength, were's this arm strength from Clemmens we were all so wanting to see? Chad Pennington should have stayed the starter and Mangini isn't looking to bright to me. I feel sorry for how Pennington has been treated by New York this season."
Garry Bray Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 5:25pm EST"NO I WANT CHAD PENNINGTON he is GREAT THE OL is THE problem NOT CHAD Come on PUT HIM AS STARTER "
Larry Said:
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:52pm EST"Andrew H youre never going to see his arm strength with an O line that cant give him more than 1/2 second to get the ball off. You cant throw a deep ball when youre pounced on after 3 steps, the receivers arent even down the field in their routes. What is the benefit of CP? predictable O and getting receivers killed on his dink and dunk passes. Its over for him."
Jim Said:
Fri, December 21, 2007 - 4:38pm EST"Chad did a great job against the PATS. A lot less trickery with Smith and let Chad work. Converted the 1st on 3rd and 12? I think coaching need to be under the microscope. The players are good, develop an offense around your talent!"
Simmie Said:
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 12:48pm EST"I will give chad his credit he did good against New England but I still think that Chellems should get the starting job for next year because I don't think they gave him enough fair time for a starting quarterback so hopefully next year he will get the job "
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Ira Said:
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 4:23pm EST"Randy, Excellent info especially about the TE's. So much for the Parcells talks going to Atlanta. Now he is talking with the Dolphins. That would be something if he signed with them. Imagine him trying to rebuild the Fish."
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