New Camera Angle: The Rest of the Story
Published: Wed, December 12, 2007 - 3:03pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Gillette Stadium, Patriots Meadowlands
Real Player Not Found
Sorry. You do not have RealPlayer installed or your version is out-of-date.
Click here to install the latest RealPlayer so you can enjoy Jets multimedia.
12/12 — Let's not let facts stand in the way of good stories.
Jets head coach Eric Mangini was asked at today's news conference about articles that appeared in several New York media outlets today stating that, according to NFL sources, a Jets employee was "caught" videotaping from the end zone stands at Gillette Stadium last season, that the Jets "claim" they received approval from the Patriots and "admitted" they videotaped the game.
Good buzzwords, good headline words. But not exactly accurate in describing what actually happened.
"We taped the game is what we taped," Mangini said today in response to a question about the stories. "And we taped an end-zone copy of the game. We tape a double-end-zone, which is standard operating procedure for us. We request that every single road game, and it's usually granted if physically it's possible."
Why would the Jets, or any other team, make such requests?
"Anytime you practice, you try to shoot the unit from the sideline and then from the end zone behind them so that you can see ... hand placement, fits, that type of thing. That's how you watch practice every day, that's how you evaluate practice every day. And it's the same thing with games. You like to have that same copy, because really, that's just an extension of the evaluation."
So the Jets did nothing wrong?
"We do it every time we go on the road," the coach said. "We ask for permission to do it. It's within the league rules, and when people ask us to do it, we grant it as well."
In fact, Mangini responded to a later question, he didn't have exact numbers on how many opponents have asked to tape from both end zones during Jets games at the Meadowlands the last two seasons but "I can tell you that anybody that's asked has been granted permission. ... It's a pretty common courtesy."
As an aside, major college programs such as Tennessee, Clemson and Texas A&M offer the same courtesy to scouts who are evaluating their players during games.
Then why did the Patriots confront this Jets employee and remove him from his Gillette end zone mezzanine position?
Mangini said he didn't know. "It just was what it was," he said. "We had asked permission, it was granted, and then that changed and we respect their decision. It's their stadium."
The Jets coach confirmed this incident happened at last season's playoff game, not at the regular-season game. He said the Jets were granted permission to tape from both end zones for Game 9 and did so without incident.
Newsday said an NFL source told the Long Island newspaper that the Patriots did not bring this incident up to the league during its investigation into the Jets' charges of illegal videotaping by the Patriots at this season's opener in September.
Two further clarifications on the reporting. When Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum replied to a Foxsports.com question on this matter, "Absolutely no truth to that whatsoever. Completely false," he was responding to the question: Was a Jets employee removed from Gillette Stadium last year for the same reason a Patriots employee was removed from the Meadowlands sidelines in this season's opener?
And Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, was quoted saying, "All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules." His response was to the question: Was a member of your video staff caught taping by the New England Patriots and asked to stop?
You can take your sides on this issue as with all off-field issues surrounding the Jets and Patriots these days. But doesn't this information help provide a clearer picture of what might have occurred back in January in the Massachusetts countryside?
The upshot to this latest video episode is that the Jets have not requested double-end-zone videotaping privileges at Sunday's game.
"We just didn't look to get permission," Mangini said. "Didn 't think it would be granted."
Sunday's Weather: Snow Big Deal
As a public and fan service, I'll provide you the latest Sunday forecast for Foxboro, Mass., from weather.com in each blog this week. As of today at 3 p.m., Sunday's forecast is for snow (70 percent chance of precipitation), wind and temperatures in the mid-30s.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (22)Jetsfandan Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 3:53pm EDT"Great post Randy. I really appreciate it. Now we can stop listening to these Pats fans who claim that Mangini is a hypocritical snitch. The only reason this even came out is because we are playing them this Sunday. I guess instead of focusing on the game the media has to write about this stuff. "
Row Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 3:57pm EDT"This is not newsworthy and it reminds me of why I don't like the media. As for the game that will be played this weekend, we sure are going to need some information from practice that might help us change our minds on the coaching and management. I am tired of criticizing them, but I have seen little to no change on the offensive side. We can't score TD's, & we run for yds when it doesn't matter!"
Jets Fan Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 3:57pm EDT"Can the media be less professional? All this he said she said business is getting old, guys. "
Ryan Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 4:01pm EDT"This whole thing with the cheating is ridiculous. Players say the NFL is a copycat league all the time. Games are won on the field through strategy, execution and hard work. "
Row Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 4:13pm EDT"I just want to say, hoping it won't get posted, that I feel this news conference on 12/12 was a complete waste of time. It really goes to show you how negative the media can be when in the midst of a rivalry game. This season has been horrible, this story and press conference doesn't help. Enough said. B/c of this, I will not post another comment until Sunday!"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 4:49pm EDT"Randy, great job of explaining the issue. GO JETS!!"
Steve Skoblicki Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 4:55pm EDT"Mountains out of mole hills! It's all moot! Permission or not isn't even the point! Look at the results this year...Was the taping of the Pats beneficial to the Jets or anyone else so far this season!!!!???!!! I think that even thought this year it's a big mismatch, there's still enough of a rivalry between the Jets and Pats to make the game interesting!! Why escalate the animosity?!?"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 7:57pm EDT"Enought of this story already. Wait to the Pats get the #2 pick after they win the Super Bowl and then draft McFaden. Then that will raise a few uproars. Too bad about Clowney. I was hoping he would get a chance to play before the season is over."
jtsfan11 Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 9:01pm EDT"the ny jets r thebest and they r gonna beat the pats and end there winning streak, and end there dynasty. GO JETS"
jon Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 9:03pm EDT"i think that sean taylor deserves some more respect because he was da best safety in da nfl. i think he should be in hall of fame"
Howard Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 11:27pm EDT"so now we're worried about who taped whom first just play the game and report about the teams........lets set the football world in for a great day and win this game end the junk and play.....LETS GO JETS"
JR Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 9:57am EDT"Eric...just tell the guys to play like they're in the street. Anything goes at this point and a win would just put Mr. Happy (BILL) over the edge. J E T S ...JETS JETS JETS!!!! HAVE FUN!!!"
Brandon Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:23am EDT"First off I have much respect for Sean Taylor as a player, but he wasn't the best safety in the NFL. Second this whole spygate thing has definitely dragged on too long. Its not that big a deal for one simple reason. The NFL didn't penalize the Pats a great deal. If the punishment was more harsh then I would say make a story out of it. As of now its a non story. "
Drew Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:53am EDT"If I see or hear one more person tell me the Jets are going to get blown out I am going to explode!! Am I the only fan who thinks we can play this bogus team tough?? I saw a average Eagle team walk into NE with AJ Feely and take them to the brink... Iif we get to Brady we can win. Moss and all the WR's help but Brady has all day to find them. Their OL is key..... Alot of TJ and touch Brady up!!!"
Jets Fan Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:53am EDT"Randy, it's funny that the media gives credit to the Pats for running up the score on teams. How many teams over the years could of ran up the score, but chose not to. The Pats are classless. Over the years the Colts could of left Manning and crew in game to pad their stats and egos. Funny how the media gives Brady credit for meaningless TDs, this is a joke. Go JETS"
Ira Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 11:35am EDT"Drew, If the weather forecast is correct this game plays right into T.Jones' hands. He plays well in bad weather. All you have to do is look back to what he did in Chicago last yast vs the Saints in the playoffs. If the Jets can get Jones going not only will this be a game they could win. "
pat maio Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 11:39am EDT"Suddenly a meaninglesss game in the standings becomes almost a super bowl with the media hype. Yeah, I'm hyped also. I can't recall when I've seen this much hype I think W C Rhoden of the Times had the most intellligent article in the Spygate fiasco. His message in short---if you don't play by the rules you're dead wrong. Period. Are you listening Pats fans? Another miracle on ice...err-- snow?"
Tanner Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 12:00pm EDT"Our defense needs to play better and blitz to get to Brady. Thomas needs to get at least 30 carries to take time off the clock hopefully we can win if we do that. "
Ira Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:20pm EDT"The Jets are playing with house money. They have to throw the kitchen sink at them. They must attack and physically beat them up if possible. All the pressure is on the Pats to win. If they lose it will mess up their season even if they end up winning the whole thing. GO JETS!!!!!!!!"
Charlie Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:31pm EDT"Pat, nice quote from the Times. That sums it up. The notion that 'snitching' is a cardinal sin and that not being a snitch is what makes you man is ridiculous. This is actually a serious problem that goes well beyond football. Apparently accountability is a thing of the past and perception of right and wrong is all out of whack."
Ablity Mouwon Said:
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 8:15pm EDT"players on this team got to stop acting like its just another game or to play this team isn't a big deal,they know in the back of their minds that getting this win will boast their confindance up becuase this team is 13-0, because their 3-10 stop pretending,if they are not hiding their emotion and that how they really feel we losted already the team is better emotion is the only thing that we have"
Randy's RSS
The fastest way to get Randy's articles. Subscribe now.
Randy's Posts


traveler Said:
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 3:40pm EDT"Thanks Randy - this IS helpful. We're booked to drive to the game - weather permitting - keep us posted. Any other Radar readers going?? Could be history. Go JETS!!!"
Offensive Comment?