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File Under: Eric Mangini, Jonathan Vilma, injured reserve, Cincinnati knee surgery
10/30 — Jonathan Vilma got a lot accomplished on a late-morning conference call with Jets reporters today.
The Jets inside linebacker and defensive captain confirmed he was injured in the Cincinnati game two weeks ago, said he is debating whether or not to have surgery on his knee, stated that being placed on injured reserve was "the best decision," and, when asked if he'd seek a trade from the Jets in the off-season, questioned back: "Why would I do that?"
That's a lot to sink one's teeth into. Here's a breakdown of the call's hot-button issues.
Vilma had been requested by reporters because his only public comments since the Bengals game came on his weekly segment on WFAN Radio two days after the game when he said he wasn't injured, one day after head coach Eric Mangini said Vilma "was dealing with some injury issues."
"When I was on the radio," Vilma said today, "I hadn't even received my MRI results yet. It was something I thought I could play with. I thought I would be all right. Just like any other injury when I go to John [Mellody, senior director, athletic training], he takes X-rays or MRIs, and I feel I can play. Of course, I feel like I can play. I'm not going to tell anybody I can't play. I've never missed a game in my career."
But Vilma did say that he suffered an injury sometime early in the game at Cincinnati.
"I honestly don't know how I got hurt," he said. "I just kept playing, trying to fight through it. It's one of those freak accidents. You step funny, step the wrong way. I can't even explain it."
He said during the game, "it was aggravating me, but it wasn't anything where I felt I couldn't play any more. It felt like any other nick or bruise. You might have to come out, sit out for a play or two, get yourself right, then go back in."
That day and into the early part of the new week, the Jets' training and medical staffs determined something was wrong with the knee. The coach declined to say what exactly was wrong or even which knee Vilma injured, and the linebacker followed that same route on his conference call.
But the injury was severe enough for the Jets to place one of their defensive stalwarts on injured reserve last Wednesday. And Vilma, countering reports that suggested he wasn't happy with having his season ended, fully supported the move today.
"Being put on IR is the best decision for myself and the best decision for the team," he said. "It's the best decision not only for this season but long-term."
Vilma indicated surgery is being considered but no surgery may also be an option. He spoke of the complications that can occur with surgery, but also characterized the non-surgical approach as a solution for "the short term."
"We're not even that far yet on what the pros and cons are," he said. "Fortunately, since I'm on IR, I have more time than I would if I tried to play out the rest of the season. There's no real time frame [but] I'm not going to be deciding at the end of the year, when January comes around."
That brought the questions around to Vilma's effectiveness and happiness in Coach Mangini's 3-4 defense compared to his first two seasons in the 4-3, when he won the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year award in 2004 and followed it with his only Pro Bowl berth the next season.
But again Vilma shot down reports that said he was unhappy enough in the scheme to request a trade in the off-season heading into the last year of his original contract.
"Why would I do that?" he said.
When it was suggested he might do that so he could go to a team whose system better suited his skill set, he replied, "I don't even know why I would do that.
"I think what you're seeing from the first two years to this past year and a half are the styles of defenses," he said. "You have one style where the defense calls for me to run around and make tackles. In the 3-4 you're obviously asking for a different style. I'm not running around as much sideline to sideline. Instead I'm taking on linemen, guards more.
"You're seeing the same player, just in a different defense. It's hard to relay that to the fans. The 187 NFL-leading tackles [that he had in 2005], that's not going to happen in a 3-4, no matter how well you play. But at the same time, you may see the team defense getting better and the player getting better within that defense."
So are you happy playing the 3-4? he was asked.
"I'm happy playing whatever," he replied. "I'd get out there and play a 5-2 if I could right now."
Needless to say, Vilma won't be playing anything except maybe tunes on his I-pod while he rehabs in Mellody's trainer's room for several months. Then presumably No. 51 will take the field for the Jets again sometime in the off-season.
He said that before the injury, "I thought I was playing pretty well, playing better than last year." If he can pick up where he left off and truly feels a growing comfort level within the defense, there should be room for his physical skills and his never-come-off-the-field mentality in green and white in 2008.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (47)Alain Audain Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:02pm EDT"I think that Vilma is a great linebacker..but..playing inside was a wrong fit for him in that 3-4 defense. He is listed at 233lbs. That's the same weight as Sean Taylor of the Redskins..He should play outside linebacker where his speed can be a factor. Hobson and Harris make better inside linebackers because of their size. And Why didn't the jets sign Grady Jackson baffles me?!"
Alain Audain Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:08pm EDT"I can tell you this..letting go of Pete kendall BIG MISTAKE!..Not giving Thomas Jones the ball 25-30 times...BIGGER MISTAKE!...with the offensive weapons we have there's no excuse. Coles..Crotchey...Baker..Jones...we should tearing up secondaries..going for a pass on 2 and 3 is saying you don't have faith in your running back to me. Also...with Barnes as your full back..come on!."
Joe Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:41pm EDT"yea, whatever, did anyone see Harris just tearing it up against the Bills? Say good bye Mr. Vilma"
JETSFAN51 Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:52pm EDT"I really hope johnny dont leave us.....idc wat anyone says he is one of the top linebackers in the league and with him and harris in the middle i believe they will be a force to be reckoned with next year.....barton is to iffy he isnt consistent harris and vilma should be starting in the middle next season.....however we really do need to get a big NT to protect our guys in the middle...."
alaizman Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:56pm EDT"David Harris success last week made it obvious that vilma cannot play the 3-4. We actually got alot better without Vilma in there. He is a great player but not in the 3-4 where he is just too small to take on guards successfully. The jets should move him outside or trade him."
damone Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:03pm EDT"Maybe Vilma really isn't that good in the 3-4.I mean David Harris comes in and gets 17 tackles.....whoa...think about it!!"
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:20pm EDT"Man as bad as the news was that Vilma couldn't make it back for the season, I would much rather see him healthy next year. I think Harris solved our inside LB problem and with him and Vilma, no one is going to test the middle against us next year. Now a pass rusher, would be nice as well, but I guess we'll have to wait for the draft. Revis is starting to look really good out there. 9-7 go Jets. "
Ira Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:37pm EDT"Harris's also helped Barton raise his level of play.. Both were around the ball all day. I have said it plenty of times Vilma should've been moved to the outside. Harris is able to shed off the blockers better than Vilma can. It will be interesting to watch Harris for the rest of the season. I think the D will continue to play better."
WestwoodChris Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:44pm EDT"If Vilma had not gotten injured I think he definitely would NOT be a Jet next year, but his trade value is diminshed due to the knee. He may be back for 1 more year. Chad will be dealt in off season!!! Jets will go after 1 of the 3 top QB's coming out in April. Glad to see Kellen will get 8 games to see what he can do. Yet another rebuilding scenario for Gang Green!!!!"
mark Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 3:18pm EDT"Vilma has not played well all season. I feel bad the guy got hurt but enough with the excuses. David Harris came in and played great. Oh by the way, the defense played great, only allowing 13 points. Proof that the 3-4 is not the problem. Vilma has been the problem this season with the defense as Pennington hsa been the problem for the offense. "
Jason Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 3:30pm EDT"It's the right choice sitting Vilma the rest of the season. The season is over as far as playoffs are concerned. Give him the rest of the year to heal, and Harris a chance to play. Pick up 1 more LB & NT in next year's draft and the 3-4 will work out just fine."
Dunnie Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 4:54pm EDT"What the heck are you guys talking about ???? VILMA is a beast at LB ... he just should be playing outside. Just because Harris is better suited to the MLB spot in the 3-4 does not make Vilma any worse of a player ... he is easily one of the top LBs in the league. I do think he should be moved to OLB though. Harris is a monster !!! Good to see him tear it up Sunday!! J E T S. "
JetsFan#25 Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 5:31pm EDT"Ok, Vilma is a solid core on this defence so how dare u should think that we should trade him, next year when he's back i think him and harris would make a great linebacker core along with Victor and Bryan. But it's not only him, it;s the team. Next year is next year, so lets worry about the problems now and how the Jets can get better."
Jared Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 5:58pm EDT"I love Vilma and would hate to see him go but he doesnt fit well in a 3-4. If we were to trade him, I think a good move would be to send him to ATL for D. Hall. We could use a good corner like him. Then Harris can start, maybe pick up Haynesworth in the offseason as a legit NT and draft nothing but DL, OL and LB's. There are moves we can make to make this team a contender for next season."
Lee Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 6:33pm EDT"To even consider trading him would be ridculous. You don't get true athletes like him that often. If inside is not for him it's critical to find a spot for him. Defense has so many holes, you don't let the "plug" go away. (Safety, OLB)"
Joe Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 6:34pm EDT"I can see Jonathan and Chad enjoying a steak together in Kansas City next year under Herm. They will both thrive in the right system. Jon is clearly a very good player and Chad is all heart and guts. I wish both of them the best, but sincerely hope that Tangini gets good value for them in the off-season. Let's face it folks, we are terrible and need to re-buiild. Let's get behind Kellen!!!!"
Charlie Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 7:11pm EDT"It's unfair to compare Vilma and Harris after just one game. Harris played great but in all fairness to Vilma, the defensive scheme was the most aggressive it's been to date. For the most part that kept the blockers off Harris. What did Parcells used to say about not putting players into Canton just yet. Remember Browning Nagle's first game against Atlanta. Ah, one pick away from Farve."
Ira Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 7:55pm EDT"After thinking this over i believe the Jets decided to put Vilma on IR to make sure he is fine for next year. If they trade him or keep him he needs to be healthy. If the Jets were in the playoff race and things were different i feel we would've seen him back as soon as it were possible. The Jets are doing what is best for Vilma and themselves. Good move."
Nep Oznat Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 8:01pm EDT"Is anyone else as sick as I am of getting dishonest answers regarding EVERYTHING about this club, in particular about injuries? WHY would they not reveal what is actually wrong with him when Vilma is gone for the year? This is secrecy for secrecy's sake. And as far as I am concerned not a fan friendly attitude. This regime is getting a bit sickening. And on top of that, they can't coach a lick"
Frank D'Elia Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 9:20pm EDT"Vilma is the most overrated Jet in history. The guy never gets to the runner. He's constantly knocked back and his tackles occur 7-10 yards downfield. Harris in one game, played better than Vilma has in 2 years. Vilma should be dealt in the off-season to a team that plays the 4-3 and is stupid enough to give us a late first or second round pick. Use that pick for a DL."
Brad Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 10:20pm EDT"I agree completely with Lee. We all understand the 3-4 is not working for Vilma, but frankly, it ain't working for anyone. It's not like David Harris stepped in last week against Buffalo and all of a sudden got 15 tackles where Vilma would normally get 5. the biggest weakness is, and has been for most of the recent past, the D-line. we need a massive DT to really see improvement from the D."
Drew Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 10:23pm EDT"Vilma is a stand up guy and can sing the company line all he wants but there is a reason this team traded up to get Harris. Look at the way Barton and Harris played Sunday. They were all over the line of scrimmage. I saw Harris dominate the run at Michigan. This guy can shed blocks and get to the RB. Vilma is a chip we should use to get ealry picks. He will never be the same 2005 LB in the 3-4"
keith Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 10:42pm EDT"Jared I could not agree more. Also by signing Haynesworth gives the ability to trade Robertson. Send him to Miami for Jason Taylor!"
Big Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 12:01am EDT"If the Jets trade away Jonathan Vilma, I will give up my season tickets and become a fan of whatever team he goes to. He is a ProBowl tier LB and I am sick and tired of watching the front office screw this team up year in and year out. They need to keep Jonathan and get a real defensive line infront of him (Ellis is the only good d-lineman they have) and some help inthe secondary for Hollywood. "
Pete Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 12:30am EDT"All of you that are putting down Vilma are truly insane. Shift him to outside with Harris in the middle and you are stacked! If you can't recognize his talent, you haven't been around the past three years! Granted he's having an off year, he's still a star. Believe me, just watch."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 7:01am EDT"When they were winning last year nobody complained about them keeping things in house. Well now that they're losing everybody wants to know everything. I feel bad that Vilma is hurt and would like to know whats wrong. He is being a company man and not saying anything. If thats the way Eric wants it it's his choice. He must have his reasons. I don't agree but i respect him for sticking to his ways."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 8:10am EDT"Chad & Vilma are both very good soldiers, unfortunately they will have to play on someone elses army. You cant experiment on Vilma next year during the last year on his contract. If he plays well he will cost a fortune to keep and if he fails we will end up with nothing. Value wise this offseason is the time for both players to be traded, and still we probably wont get too much for them. Moss was a #4."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 8:22am EDT"I feel this team is good and this Sunday,with Clemens at the helm will prove it.By second half he will be settled down and hitting all our weapons.The deep threat will open the run.Our defense will be crazy(growing on last weeks performance).Leon is over due for a big game.Hit Man Harris got his first start out of the way so he will be more comfortable(NOW THATS SCARY)Happy halloween Gibbs."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 8:48am EDT"Even though the team is strugging there are some +'s. T.Jones is 8th in the league in rushing with 557 yds and a 3.8 yd per carry avg. The C and C boys are both in the top 10 in receiving. This is with an O that has problems. Imagine the #'s if things were clicking. I think it gets fixed for the 2nd half of the year and plays much better as a unit. GO JETS!!!!!!!"
Manu Nagaraja Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 10:54am EDT"Vilma has and always will be a great linebacker. To trade him now would be a mistake until his exact injury is clearly known. Obviously, many of you all are just armchair quarterbacks who have never played the game except for fantasy football. "
manu nagaraja Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 10:57am EDT"Vilma has and always will be a great linebacker. To trade him without knowing the exact nature of his injury would be a huge mistake."
Schuyler Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 11:01am EDT"Why is everyone ready to get rid of Vilma. The guy has been equated to Ray Lewis by opposing offenses. Let him come back and get healthy and than we'll see him side by side with David Harris. Now, that's going to be something, hard hitting Harris and speedy Vilma, it will be like Suggs and Lewis, not to mention their both play callers, working together it will be a show every sunday. Go Jets!"
Jake Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 11:26am EDT"Pete, I think you are exactly correct on Vilma to the outside and Harris as one of the middle linebackers. I think we could upgrade a little on the other inside backer with a little more size but we are in to BT for a while as the other outside backer. I think CP will land somewhere else and will remain very productive you hate to see 1st class go but it will help him as well to get out of N York"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 11:28am EDT"I can't help but get the feeling,because of all the secretiveness surrounding Vilma's injury,that a deal is already in place with another team at the end of the year providing Vilma is healthy.If so,it must be a good one,because why else wouldn't they experiment with Vilma on the outside this year.If Mangini told the media Vilma was hurt,then why was Vilma so secret about it?JV 2 KC 4 a 2&a3"
JOHNNYJET Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 11:38am EDT"THE JETS BETTER MAKE BETTER FREE AGENT SIGNINGS AS WELL AS BETTER DRAFT PICKS. WE ARE LUCKY TO FINISH 2-14"
Row Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 12:58pm EDT"Vilma is the best LB we have bar none, anyone who wishes to trade him isn't a Jets fan. The Jets media is hilarious. Watching press conference after press conference is like watching stand-up comedy. SOMEONE ADDRESS THE OC, PLEASE. We had a spell where we didn't score a TD for 6 quarters, and now it's up to 4 again. FIRE SCHOTTENHEIMER! Change something Mangini. Remember Leon TD's on KO. Go Jets"
Steve Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 1:46pm EDT"Forget the 3-4, and go back to the 4-3 defense. The players are there for this scheme. DE- S. Ellis, B. Thomas, DT- D. Robertson, S. Pouha, OLB- J. Vilma, V. Hobson, MLB- D. Harris. Let's face it, the 3-4 stinks. All the talk was about how it was going to improve this year, and it just got worse."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 2:14pm EDT"Somebody has to step up this week. Reports are that Coles could miss the Skins game because of a concussion. Hope thats not the case."
SCJoe Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 3:17pm EDT"At this point, you bring up Clowney from the practice squad, run the fly once or twice a quarter, then you will see the running game pick up. No excuse now not to do it, we have a QB who can get the ball down there."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 4:11pm EDT"Would love to see them bring up Clowney to stretch the field.. Wright will get his chance also. Won't be surprised if Tutt is involved in the game plan this week. Tutt looked great all during camp catching the ball coming out of the backfield and as a WR. Time to see what some of these younger players can do."
Vaughn Said:
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 1:23am EDT"Everyone here is ridiculous. You're comparing an injured player to a healthy player. Why would you give away a PRO BOWL LINEBACKER? Barton is getting old, he's already 30. Vilma will play much better next year when he's healthy again, he doesn't even know when he injured the knee, obviously it's been affecting his play. The Jets should trade Chad and look for a CB and pass rusher for next year. "
uncle joe Said:
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 7:30am EDT"Ira,Tutt cant catch.They always say he can but he dropped alot of passes in preseason.Cant trust him.I would love to see more of Barnes punishing LBs.I dont know why he cant help them get these 3rd,4th and 1s.Would also love to see Leon and Jones in the same backfield together,theres major mismatches all over that."
Russ Said:
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 12:17pm EDT"what the JETS really need is a better nose tackle,sorry D-ROBbut you just cant cut it in this 3-4 scheme,every week i see him get pushed 5 yards back on run plays,and VERY RARELYdoes he get penetration on passing downs,if you dont believe me watch #63,i cant figure out why the coaching staff didnt see this last year,its even worse this year,we wont get better on D if this isnt fixed in the offseas"
Drew Said:
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 5:13pm EDT"Row..I am clearly a big jet fan but I would not mind trading Vilma. He is an average LB in this system. His size will limit him outside and he is not a very good pass rusher. He is a 4-3 middle LB since High School.. Now I admit I have loved Harris since college but he is a better fit for this defense. Vilma was a great marketable leader for this team but 17 games in 06 and 7 in 07 show the facts."
blit Said:
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 9:00pm EDT"i think this team will he a better suited for the 4-3 with only 3 linebackers, the when vilma made the pro blow that the defense we play. and we have 2 great linebackers and one young good one so it would be better for the defense to play 4-3 and more player are use to this defense. to be great in the 3-4 you have be be in it with the same people be years and you have to understand unmakeable play"
nicck Said:
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 1:14am EDT"i love the jets and i watch ever game but i think that lettin herm edwards go was the team first mistake sitching to the 3-4 was the second. in 3-4 u need a great nt what the jets just dont have and ray lewis wasnt any good in the 3-4 also vilma is a great lb and if he is trade the jets real do need a new gm .....just my 2 cents"
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Ira Said:
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 12:59pm EDT"Randy, As you know Vilma was on WFAN today with Joe and Evan. He seemed to say the same. Two things i got out of it was Vilma is a stand up guy and company man. Second he would rehab his knee and never mentioned an option of surgery. Hope thats the way it works out for him. "