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File Under: Eric Mangini, Shaun Ellis, Blake Costanzo, Kerry Rhodes, Chad Johnson, Kenny Watson
10/24 — The weather at today's practice matched the mood of the team: overcast. The Jets worked outside again, next to the training bubble they rarely use even in the foulest weather, although it appeared that the rain crawling across Long Island fell before and after practice, leaving the players, like the sky, grim and gray.
"It's tough, man. A situation like this, it's not good," safety Kerry Rhodes, serving Monday and today as an unflinching front man for his unit and his team, said with a laugh. "You're not having fun. It's tough. But you've got to fight through it."
And Eric Mangini is grappling with an issue that has bedeviled the Jets' defense this season.
"We've worked on tackling in five of the last six practices, and there's been some progress," the Jets' head coach said today. "There needs to continue to be progress there. ... It can be one guy on any given play that changes a play from what should be a big play to a nothing play or a nothing play into a big play."
Mangini then mentioned a few specifics:
"When you look at some of these runs, runs that should be stopped for 4 or 5 yards go 10 to 12 yards because we missed a tackle in the secondary. You list two 70‑yard passes, whatever those two passes were, one was on a hitch and the other one was on a slant. Historically, those passes are 5 to 7 yards. You miss a tackle and now it looks like you gave up a deep ball, but the reality is you could've tackled better on that play. We had a situation on third-and-2, a defender free in the hole, and we missed the tackle in the backfield. That really had nothing to do with the front. We should have been off the field. There have been too many plays like that."
Too many such plays contribute to creating a bit of bad franchise history such as this: In giving up 130 rushing yards to Kenny Watson and 102 receiving yards to Chad Johnson at Cincinnati, the Jets for the first time in franchise history have yielded a 100-yard rusher AND a 100-yard receiver in three consecutive games. Here are the totals:
| Opp. | Rusher | Atts-Yds-TDs | Receiver | Recs-Yds-TDs |
| at NYG | Brandon Jacobs | 20-100-1 | Plaxico Burress | 5-124-1 |
| vs. PHI | Brian Westbrook | 20-120-0 | Kevin Curtis | 5-121-1 |
| at CIN | Kenny Watson | 31-130-3 | Chad Johnson | 3-102-0 |
This is one of those "sounds neat but what does it mean?" charts. Suffice it to say that if a defense is giving up 200-plus yards of offense to two opposing players every game, issues need to be addressed.
Rhodes explained why the tackling issue is ticklish for players.
"In this league you’re going to miss tackles," he said. "There are good players on offense that can make good plays and make you miss. They are here for a reason. Some tackles that we've missed, I think its just getting back to the fact that we’re losing. If we were winning and we had these missed tackles, it would be an issue but it wouldn’t be as magnified as it is. Everything gets magnified more when you’re losing.
"But we’re professionals and we have to work at it."
Which they'll be doing in advance of the Bills coming to town. Despite the 17-14 loss at Buffalo in Week 4, the Jets contained rookie RB Marshawn Lynch to 79 yards and Lee Evans had the most receiving yards, 72 on six catches.
There are no guarantees the Green & White defense will repeat this feat and come out of Sunday with a home win. And the Bills are feeling frisky these days, having beaten the Jets, then nearly upset the Cowboys on Monday night, then coasted through their bye week to hold off the Ravens last week.
But the Jets have to find a way. If the teaching and learning are going to kick in, this is about the time. Last season the "D" showed proof of life in the second half of Game 8 at Cleveland and used that as a springboard to improvements in virtually all areas over the second half of the schedule.
More Message Music
For those keeping score at home, two songs were played — loudly — during practice today.
"Fight Outta You" by Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals. Key lyrics: "I would rather take a punch than not give you a shot. I'd rather find out who you are than who you're not."
"Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" by McFadden & Whitehead. Key lyric: "We're gonna get ourselves together. We're gonna polish up our act, yeah."
One Big Little Play
It's a hypothetical, of course, but had the Jets held on at Cincinnati, one of the overlooked plays from that game would have loomed large. It was the final play of the first half, when Shaun Ellis stunted around Dewayne Robertson and all of a sudden was powering his way into Carson Palmer's kitchen.
"I didn't think they were going to throw any flags on the play," Ellis said. Instead, referee Tony Corrente threw both of his flags. One was on guard Andrew Whitworth for holding Ellis. That was declined. The other was for intentional grounding by Palmer, because of the Big Katt's proximity.
Because the IG draws a 10-second runoff, the half ended not with a 60-yard Shayne Graham field goal try but with the Jets ahead, 20-10. Ah, well, like I said, hypothetical.
Look Who's a Bill
Buffalo just signed LB Blake Costanzo to their practice squad. Costanzo spent the last two training camps with the Jets and in between was voted All-NFL Europa before he was a final cut in September.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (43)Fred Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:34pm EDT"Randy , Didn't the Jets make history last yr. in Buffalo when they won a road game in which they gave up 150+ yds rushing & 300yds. passing? ILets hope for no such stats Sun. I am one of the very few that still support Chad so I am glad he is starting . Buffalo's defense has given him fits for the most part over his career so lets get a win J ! E! T! S! JETS! JETS! JETS!"
Ira Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 9:00pm EDT"Randy, Just read that Cimini tonight is reporting that Vilma might be out for the year. That he has a significant knee injury that will probably require surgery. Hope this report is wrong. If its true i quess they would sign Mackey to the 53 man roster.Maybe they should go get Costanzo back from the Bills."
charles Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 9:04pm EDT"Hey Randy, Any thoughts on signing Grady Jackson? 6'2" 350 may fit the bill for a 3-4 NT. Charles"
Drew Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 9:46pm EDT"It sounds like this team is as miserable as us fans. Can Kerry sound any more in the dumps? Coach missed a big chance to start Kellen here. It would have gotten the attention of some of these players. Instead it's back to work.....again!"
Row Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:17am EDT"Randy, thank you for this article. As for the D, I want to see some stunts with Robertson and Pouha. Vilma not being in a zone. He WILL play, I said it here first. Elam will knock someone's helmet off, without throwing a punch. It must be nice, able to watch practice, I would do a lot for that liberty. Do you need a top secret clearance? Lets chalk one up for the green and white. "
Adam Brubaker Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:39am EDT"the jets defence is a great 4-3 team on paper,and a not so great 3-4 team on paper,facts are facts,vilma is the best 4-3 mlb in the league,who the hell gets 108 tackles his rookie year and 173 tackles his sophmore year,i dont know if thats ever been done then you change defences on him,come on,thats some pathetic coaching,every coaching clinic Ive ever been to always says use what you got."
Barry Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 7:35am EDT"Randy, I find it painful to watch our defence every sunday. It seem so sluggish, so slow and out of place. What's wrong?"
Frank Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 7:46am EDT"They can keep practicing tackling til the cows come home. On defense more than any other posistion the players need to beleive in what they are doing as the effort is much greater to tackle than to block. It's not about tackling or personel it's about the players not beleiving in the system and it's about the players being turned off by the coaching staff. THAT IS THE PROBLEM!"
kaya Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 8:13am EDT"I just want to say...Go get Grady Jackson!! 6' - 2", 350 lbs. With him and Pouha next to him we can finally have a solid line! Believe me that the 3-4 scheme will start to work. Grady is a proven run-stopper and if your a Jets fan like me....then you have noticed what Pouha have done when he is inserted for a series or two. Both can be a run-stopping dominant force together!!"
Ira Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 8:29am EDT"Drew, With all duerespect i disagree with you about getting the vets attention if he had started Clemens. The time for a spark wasin the Eagles game after Chad threw the INT. Now its about keeping the team and locker room together. If he had started Clemens this week there would have been problems with some of the players. If the losing continues at least he has the bye to get everybody ready."
dave h Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 9:15am EDT"Mangini has to take this season on the chin, poor decisions made point right back to him, unless someone else is pulling the strings. installing 3-4 D without proper personal, not dealing fairly with Kendal, terrible play calling that stubbornly refuses to consistently open the field up through out the whole game, not to mention predictability. I guess we'll all see the results of Mangini's OT "
Dunnie Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 9:21am EDT"I am hoping for the best for Vilma ... but if ever there was a situation where it would not be the end of the world for him to have this happen it'd be this season. SIGN GRADY JACKSON ALREADY D"
Ira Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 9:48am EDT"Why is everybody wanting G.Jackson a 35 yr old DT? The team is 1-6 and Jackson is not coming in and saving the season. I would rather see if Pouha can improve."
Drew Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:22am EDT"Ira... The players could play better...that's how they keep the QB they like starting... I remember Curtis Martin saying the same crap when they benched Vinny in 2002. The whole team was behind Vinny and did not want to see the kid (Chad) play. They said Vinny was better in practice and so on. Sounds alot like the stuff we are hearing from the team now. They are 1-6 they do not have a say anymore."
Drew Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:25am EDT"The Jets do not need Grady Jackson!! He is a stop gap player and does not fit the Tangini mold. I would not have minded having him since training camp but at this point.... does it really matter. Let Pouha and CJ mosley get snaps not Grady Jackson. "
Thomas Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:41am EDT"Maybe if they get Grady Jackson they finally switch back to a 4-3. This 3-4 defense is so terrible that it hurts to watch. I see Barton and Vilma take on monster guards and get shoved around until they are out of the play. Vilma is your best defensive weapon. Rhodes seems to be a flash in the pan. Why make Bryan Thomas the star of your defense? "
uncle joe Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 12:18pm EDT"Good call on Grady,Ira.Ive been down on Vilma since he wiffed on his blitz of Brady against NE last year.Brady moved over 2 steps and threw the pass,it could of changed the game.Too often I see him in the right spot,and he just does nothing.3 tackles a game is none existant,he is in just to call the D.Just suit up Sutton,and cut out the middle man.3-4 worked last year,Harris takes over now."
uncle joe Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 12:34pm EDT"Chad plays till the bye=better draft pick.After that can we please see D.Coleman,Bender somewhere, E.Smith, maybe Brad Smith at corner or safety, and PLEASE Poaha at NT and maybe Robertson at end. Overuse tight end passes to see what we got(Baker is wasted away on this team) Go easy on Coles we need him next year. Our Superbowl this year is at N.E.Coach just give us that day,to deliver us from evil AMEN"
John Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:04pm EDT"Vilma is being played out of position, his talent and skill is being wasted on the inside. He needs to be moved outside and let Harris play on the inside. This would free up Vilma to be a pass rusher and give him more room to roam. He is NOT an inside linebacker."
end zone bozo Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:40pm EDT"this team has quit on its coach, and its coaching staff. You can all debate QB change and NT switchs & defense all you want. THE TEAM HAS QUIT ON THE COACH AND COACH's. Until ownership figures this out - its going to be ugly for quite some time."
Ira Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:47pm EDT"Drew, Yes players have to make plays and coaches have to give them the best chance to make those plays. But they all have to be on the same page. When a team is losing its very easy to point fingers and blame others and have a locker room split. Just think back to the Spike Game in 94 and how Carroll lost control of the team. We don't want that to happen this year."
Brandon Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:44pm EDT"If you see whats happenning is all of Herm and Bradway's players are getting weeded out. Mangini and Tannenbaum are starting to play the guys they drafted that fit there style of play. I think they knew this would happen. I don't think they thought it would be this bad but I think they expected a little decline. It takes 3 or 4 years to get the guys needed for a system. Show some patience. "
Schuyler Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:46pm EDT"Grady Jackson has a couple of good years left in him, if they Jets pick up someone like him to play nose, we can go after a pass rusher like Chris Long in the first round of the draft and than an outside linebacker. D-rob and Pouha could also learn from the guy. That was my reasoning behind getting Jackson. At the very least we should look at him, we have the roster spot with Clowney gone. Go Jets"
Schuyler Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:47pm EDT"Randy, any word on Vilma? I really hope he isn't out for the year, we need this guy. "
John Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 3:56pm EDT"Randy, In think alternating QB adds some surprise to our offense, the other tams seems to know that Chad is going to make a bad throw when he's behind. And why does it seem that we never are really after the other team's QB? They seem to have too much time and protection."
Jeremy Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 4:34pm EDT"FIRE SUTTON!!!! Don't even wait till the end of the season, do it now!! There are FIVE INDIVIDUALS that have the same or more number of sacks than our WHOLE TEAM!! Think about that! WAY TO GO SUTTON! Your best defensive stat this year is 26th in the league, oh and the rest are 28th!!!!! BEST DEFENSIVE STAT 26th in the LEAGUE!! FIRE SUTTON!!!"
Fanforlife Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 4:53pm EDT"I just want to see more blitzes by Bryan Thomas, I truly believe this kid is electrifying when he is on the field. From preseason till now I believe he is the best defensive player when he's on the field going after the quarterback. Coach needs to find a way to make him as a deadly weapon to stop drives and allow him to make the big plays he has showed us all year long when he has the chance."
Fanforlife Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 4:56pm EDT"Fans don't want patience they want results, however our learning curve this year has been against the best teams in football and will be that way all season long. Look at the players we have been up against for the first time in 4 years, that NFC division got tough and Mangini has his first experience playing against these players. The defense and CP are learning against the best in the league"
Michael Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 5:31pm EDT"Everyone is talking about Pennington...sure he has made some bad decisions late in the game....but....what about the D falling apart????? I mean they had the lead and to just let the Bengals do everything except skip down the field on them."
Drew Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 8:04pm EDT"Ira...Huge difference between the spike game year and now. We actually had a shot to make some noise in 1994 and Carroll was way too friendly with the team compared to Mangini. This team has lost the last 4 games that they could have won. Tangini talks about the types of players he wants and those are the ones who need to back the QB switch."
Charles F Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 8:34pm EDT"I'm so sick of hearing Mangini in his press conf. saying how great practice was and mentioning what good things they did on D. It sure doesn't show in any of the games. Mangini has been saying that since week 1. Are offense isn't a power house like Dallas and NE so are D has to step up if we want any chance of winning a game this year. Everybody knows that but the coaches "Fire Sutton" already."
bob mcguire Said:
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 9:18pm EDT"It seems our offense goes into a shell and instead of throwing some long passes, if only to keep the defense thinking. Instead, we go back to the short passes. One long pass resulted in a touchdown of 57 yards. I don't recall seeing another attempt. Regardless who the coach or offensive coordinator is, it still is the same offense. Two runs and a pass followed by a punt or field goal. "
Alex Said:
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 2:28am EDT"I think that a defence is what wins championships and when your D's struggling it puts a heap of pressure on your offense, i think thats why the offense has been performing badly because of the pressure of the fact that they have to score everytime they have the ball because the D cant stop anybody."
Larry Said:
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 11:40am EDT"Agree with most everything being said about D. But think about how many timesthey held or held to 3 pts. and had it negated by an ineffective QB and terrible play calling. The only reason Chad ever shined was because of the 4-3 making int forced fumbles and scoring usually at least 7-10 pts per game. Like we all learned in high school, you have to play both sides of the ball."
Jake Said:
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 1:27pm EDT"Ira, I noticed all the post on Jackson as well and I am aware of his age!! The benefit that I could see from signing Grady would be to answer the question with a proven veteran in the 3-4 scheme on our undersized lineman. I.E. should that be the #1 primary off-season aquisiton if we are going to continue on with the 3-4. If you are able to turn respectable in run stops with Grady, ?answered"
cactus hugger Said:
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:56pm EDT"I agree with Ira about Grady Jackson. He was cut by the Falcons; why would we want their reject? We need coaches who, design schemes for the players we have. Like Rumsfeld said, you fight with the army you have. The personnel on the Jets is better suited for a 4-3; go with that until you draft/sign player who'll make the 3-4 work. The other thing is the O needs to sustain drives so D can rest"
gmf Said:
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:21pm EDT"maybe its time to change personnel on the field and do something more like the Giants by bringing DE Ellis to the inside and bringing Thomas to DE postion aside Ellis might give us a boost on pressuring the offense on every down. The Jets need to do something cuz the season is slipping away if its not already history.... Mix things up and move E. Smith to middle Linebacker for versitality."
Bhalls Said:
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 1:27am EDT"I guess we could all just ask the coaches to DO THEIR JOBS!!! Just say you were wrong, do we have any men in the building? Get some help, Marvin Jones, Mo Lewis, DONNIE HENDERSON. I am sure Steve Atwater could show some of these people how to hit. We really don't need an ice tub technician... Deion is an analyst, he helped DeAngelo Hall. Somebody coach these guys, please. I just want to see a win!"
Francostein Said:
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 2:10am EDT"wouldn't Marty Schottenheimer make a great head coach for the Jets?"
Bob R Said:
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 5:35am EDT"The season's over, that's it! First of all, I don't believe Vilma's that injured. He opened his mouth commenting on the Jets defense as he saw it, and the next thing you know......gone! Changes need to be made, at the coaching level. Too many of the assistant coaches have NO PLAYING EXPERIENCE. "
STEVEN Said:
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 1:45pm EDT"if the jets concentrate on two things the whole season, and perfect it, they will be the best team in the NFL, that is penalties and tackling. However if they keep tackling the way they have been the last few years, no matter how many pro bowlers they get, they will continue to be the same old mediocre jets. the jets have been so mediocre since Joe namath, that rut has worn out its railroad tracks"
steven Said:
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 1:49pm EDT"penalties and tackling turns a team full of probowlers into mediocre JETS. Need I say more. Get Joe Namath or do all things well. Nobody appreciates mediocrity"
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Ira Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:14pm EDT"Randy, Good for Costanzo i know you're a fan of his. You're right about this time last year but the mind set of the team was very different. Going into the Cleveland they were 4-3 and upbeat even though the D was having its problems. Now at 1-6 and the D is worse its real tuff on the players. Good thing is the Bills have only 5 offensive TD's this year. Thats good for the Jets D. GO JETS!"