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10/21 — The Jets said they didn't see steam coming out of their coach's ears in their postgame Paul Brown Stadium locker room after they had just lost their fourth straight game, 38-31 to the Bengals, to fall to 1-6.
But even if they had, it wouldn't have made the spacious room any quieter and grimmer than it was when reporters came in to talk to them.
"He wasn't that ticked off when he spoke with us," LB Jonathan Vilma said. "If he was upset with you guys, we didn't see that. We didn't see the 'emotional Eric.' "
But with reporters minutes before, Mangini was as close to anger over a loss as he had been in any other game in his two-year tenure as Jets head coach.
"I'm just tired of giving the same speech," Mangini said at the top of his postgame remarks. "I'm tired of us playing in the first half and not playing in the second half, or playing in the second half and not in the first half. Today we had multiple penalties, a shanked punt, we can't get a snap right.
"It's just not good enough. Not good enough coaching on my part or on the part of the assistant coaches, not good enough by the players. I'm tired of giving the same speech, and it should hurt."
Whatever you thought of the Jets play as they lost their grip on this game, the outcome definitely hurt.
"I can't really speak out and say what I feel," linebacker Jonathan Vilma said the Bengals' 395-yard effort that included 177 rushing yards, a career-high 130 of them by Cinci backup running back Kenny Watson.
Why not, Jonathan?
"Really, there's no reason to let it out," he said. "I don't think it's going to help us win. It is what it is."
Next door, LB Victor Hobson was asked if there was any talk of more defensive changes after the game for next Sunday's home game against Buffalo, coming off its upset of Baltimore.
"No, but I'm sure we'll see it on Wednesday," Hobson said. Nothing good worth talking about? "Not from my end. Especially not with a loss."
WR Jerricho Cotchery was talking about the offense after it scored 23 points on its first five possessions, then nothing until the final Hail Mary TD to Cotchery and two-point conversion to Leon Washington to end the game, but he could've been talking about the team in general.
"That groove we were in, we lost it," Cotchery said. "It's tough. Our frustration's just reaching a different level."
The day also didn't pan out so well for center Nick Mangold, who returned home to Ohio and played in the stadium of the team he used to root for growing up.
"It's tough after a loss," Mangold said. "Any good feelings you had coming home and seeing your family are obviously negated by having that loss in there."
Mangold also had a rare error, the first errant shotgun snap of his two-year NFL career (although the fumble was charged to Pennington). Cincinnati recovered the loose ball to end a Jets march toward perhaps a go-ahead Mike Nugent field goal early in the fourth at the Bengals 49.
"It was a miscommunication, which you never want to see happen. It's a shame it had to happen as we were driving," Mangold said. "It's something you can't have happen. It was a miscommunication on my part. Chad obviously wasn't ready for the ball. I've got to make sure we're on the same page."
Pennington said the same.
"He thought I was calling for the ball and I didn't think I was calling for the ball," the QB said. "It was just a miscommunication is all."
Pennington fielded all questions at his postgame news conference, with a pensive look and occasionally a sad smile. Of the rumor that Chris Mortenson reported on espn.com before the game saying that Mangini had told Pennington he would "be on a short leash" in this game, he said: "I was never told I was going to be on a short leash, ever. That doesn't even sound like Coach Mangini."
But the speculation that Pennington is about to be replaced by Kellen Clemens as soon as Buffalo will continue with a fury — even Mangini acknowledged that it's "a topic of extreme interest."
And Pennington took the topic stoically.
"I think that's the nature of this business. When a team is struggling, the first place people look is quarterback," he said. "It's a team game, we're all in this together, but I understand the nature of the business. That's why I don't blink, and I'm not going to blink one way or the other."
But the Jets' starting QB when healthy from 2002 to present admitted to happy thoughts when he hit Laveranues Coles on a 57-yard touchdown pass to open the game, 45 yards of which were covered in the air, possibly the second-longest ball-in-the-air yardage of Pennington's career.
"It was fun. I did really enjoy it, absolutely. It put a big smile on my face," he said. "But it all went for naught because we lost."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (113)Jeremy Said:
Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:52pm EDT"Enough is Enough! The JETS continue to find ways to self destruct and lose games! All this talk about Clemens is getting old;The best QB in the league couldn't get a W for the Jets right now the way our defense is playing! All the losses this year are due to the Defense playing with no heart and no sense of urgency. Swap 63 for 91 and maybe we can stop the run, maybe. Play Pouha!"
Dunnie Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:03am EDT"I knew we were in trouble when we could not stop the run in the pre-season. I did not expect this ... this is just painful ... hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel ... but its out there somewhere. I feel bad for Chad ... but ... Im just bummed out period about this ... we need something .. anything."
gmf Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:09am EDT"The coaching staff for defense has to realize by now on 3rd down any and all offenses are looking to throw the ball the way of Darelle Revis and most of the time he gives away a huge penalty, when things are not going your way you need to substitute and bring some experience to give a lift to a struggling defense.... Vilma and Harris are a tandem but there are 9 others who need to show up too..."
Dorian Lopez Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:17am EDT"I'm sick of hearing the NY Media say put in Clemens. Benching Pennington isn't going to change a defense that can't stop the run and misses tackles, nor will it stop receivers from dropping perfectly thrown passes, or an offensive line that can't run block on a consistent basis. The problems on this team are many. Pennington played well today--he didn't lose today's game."
rudy iacono Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:43am EDT"Up 23-10 and they don't have the killer instinct to put teams away. The choir boy moral character routine is not working and the Jets need an infusion of some mean streak spirited football players. I wonder if Chris Baker realy had a bad back and if Kendall was placed in the dorm by accident? Please bring in Houdini to make Mangini & Tannenbaum dissapear."
Mike Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:55am EDT"No, Chad is not the reason why they are losing, but the offense would run better if Clemens was playing. Was I the only one who watched the 4th quarter of the Baltimore game? Exactly what has to happen before Clemens gets a chance to play? The Jets being down 30 points in the 4th quarter of a game when they have a 1-14 record? By all means, re-post this comment after Clemens gets a chance to play!"
J Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:09am EDT"The defensive is HORRIBLE. They are the reason the Jets lost today. If they could stop ANYTHING then perhaps Chad wouldn't have to pick up their slack. Pennington played very well today, anyone blaming him for the loss is insane. "
Don M. Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:18am EDT"Kenny Watson? Wonder what Rudi Johnson would have done if he was healthy? They got 2 long TD's from Coles but what do they do when they are in or near the red zone? The play calling stinks. They need more TD's. 3 FG's are no good.Do we ever throw to a TE in the red zone? Not today because our best TE was home being punished for speaking the truth. At least I won't have to rush Thanksgiving dinner."
cactus hugger Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:24am EDT"It's true that our D is mediocre, at best but they played well in the first half, when our O sustained time-killing drives. A steady diet of 3 and out possessions by the Jets in the second half gave Cincy's potent passing game too many possessions and wore out our D. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. It became clear to me that the play calling is the Jets' main weakness on offense.."
evan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:39am EDT"Where is Bryan Thomas and Victor Hobson??? They havent shown up all year in the tackles department...."
Row Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:13am EDT"There were few positives I want to address. I was EXTREMELY HAPPY with the POP Elam had! At least someone is swinging. Revis was a star today that got hosed. Once again, 3rd and 4th quarter Jones loses carries. Why can't we run the ball to control the clock? Why can't we have game management? Time of pos. was ridiculous. Our LB's need to hit their gaps, seemed they were in a zone? I want to coach."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:37am EDT"Chad was not the problem today, although it would be nice to see the offense open up, like the 57 yard pass to Coles. Let's see some more of that! Thomas Jones has had 2 good games out of 7! The defense is a seive! That def makes average running backs look like all pros! At this point the only winnable game I see is Miami! Big Chad fan, but let the kid start, team needs a spark!"
kareem Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:04am EDT"i love the jets but they alots of deeeeefeeeeeeeeeense they cant stop the run for nothing ..how many TD ya want chad to make for jets to win the game 100? jets offsense is scorining but the defense give's all the point jets need to change defensive coach or the players"
Vaughn Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 4:32am EDT"Chad actually looked good today, until the usual 4th quarter interception when they were down by 8. Three games with key 4th quarter interceptions, it just doesn't look good, but to finally see the deep ball from Chad, it almost brought tears to my eyes. Unfortunately the season is lost, but if you're going to accomplish anything this season, beat those Gosh Darn Patriots. GO JETS!"
Art Milbuta Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:07am EDT"I have to agree with Dorian. I've been a Jet fan since they traded for an Alabama Quarterback called 'Broadway Joe' and palyed in Shea. If Pennington had the line that Brady has think of the possiblities with his receivers... In the second half of that game he was hit 75% of the time... I didn't see our defense get the ball back on any three and out either... IT IS A TEAM LOSE.!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:29am EDT"One bomb to hang his hat on will not silence his growing critics.Just from the TV view you could see receivers open,he cant find anything.How many times in a row was he planning on throwing that out to Coles before he would look anywhere else on the field.He probably called for that fumbled snap,because if he didnt he would have took the blame.Players playing good(mangold)take the blame to coverup"
Adam Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:33am EDT"News flash to all you people who think Chad is no longer the problem because the offense put up 31 points... THE BENGALS DEFENSE GIVES UP ON AVERAGE OVER 31 POINTS! Chad must go! In the second half the DB's were playing the ball and not the man because of his pathetic arm strength."
Dave Scott in Norfolk, VA Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:55am EDT"Would somebody please call Walt Michaels and ask him to come back as an advisor. He would know how to help straighten this mess out - guaranteed. If somebody in the Jets upper management chain of command would just ask him what he thinks, it would actually help the team. We could definitely profit from his wisdom. "
Xavion Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:38am EDT"Elam was not playing the Run well I think Eric Coleman and Snith play the run Much better and He whiffed on a few tackles..."
njphones Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:51am EDT"Pathetic. It's like they snt another team out in the second half. Cincy did what they wanted against our D in the 2nd half. Chad was ineffecive and threw another 4th q interception. 8 games in and our season is done. What is Marty Schottenhiemer doing next year? Could he turn this team around?"
Big O Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:30am EDT"Why are all of our running plays wasted running up the middle, we end up wasting valuable downs when we run up the middle. I said it last week and Randy you didnt put it up there but once again why? Why cant we run the sides and get more yardage. "
Dave h Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:32am EDT"since preseason Chad has had trouble in the red zone, he does well between the 20's, bad play calling? they get the ball on the B. twenty something and they settle for 3? why didnt they throw anymore deep passes? Chad got picked for throwing repetitous plays. When your behind and time is a factor you need to score fast, you cant dig your way out with a teaspoon. and they need to drop the 3-4."
Dean Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:47am EDT"I've read all these comments about how well Chad played and that the loss wasnt due to him, lets take a quick look at the facts. We were only able to score a field goal in the 2nd half(until the hail mary) against arguably the worst defense in the NFL! While the defense played poorly in the 2nd half our quarterback threw another pick six at cruchtime for our opposition. We have to make qb change."
DougMc Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:54am EDT"Wasn't able to watch this one.Saw that the score was 23-10 and thought they had it. As soon as it was 23-17 I new they would lose.# and outs and no running game coupled with a mediocre defense spells disaster every time. Folks from out of state say I'm a typical N.Y. fan wanting Chad out and to lose games from now on to get better draft. I think its obvious and have suffered for 40 years of this !"
chuck Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:58am EDT"When are we going to see a screen to Leon Washington or a sweep with Leon Washington leading the way when a third down is in a manageable position such as the third and 5 that led to a Pennington sack when they brought the blitz? Perfect call for the offense yet I didn't see it executed UNTIL THE FINAL PLAY OF THE GAME! Jets fans aren't disappointed by the result, just the bad playcalling."
Kaya Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:05am EDT"I saw in the 4th quarter for three straight series # 91 (Pouha) had stop Watson either at the scrimmage line or one yard gain and loss. But, after those three series I did not see him again until is was to late. This guy can play the gap and stop the run better than Robertson. Why Pouha is not playing more is a mystery on it self."
SteveO Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:36am EDT"It is the same thing when Parcell's continued to play Rick Meir when Vinny got hurt and we lost like 5 in a row. They finally put Ray Lucas in and they started to win. Coaches keep failing quarterbacks in there too long. "
Brian I Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:38am EDT"It is uncomfortable to watch, but I believe Mangini is finally realizing his team and his coaching staff is not as good as he thinks. The defense is absolutely the worst in the league, no questions. The talent level is way below what was anticipated and the schemes put further strain on whatever talent there is. I just hope Ira made it home safe from Cincinatti lol. 2007 has become a comedy."
Fanforlife Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:39am EDT"The Jets looked remarkably good 85% of the time on offense, they were pretty much unstoppable or so it seemed until things just came crashing down. This happened because of bad play calling, the coach can fire Pennington and the media will be happy about that, but that's not the answer. The Jets record could easily be 3-4 right now if not 4-3 with Pennington at the helm if coaches learnedtocoach"
Larry Bennett Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:41am EDT"By Thursday Mangini will calm down, and he'll joke with the press, and he'll tell the press that Chad had a good game and that he will start this Sunday against Buffalo. He'll probably make changes on defense, and we'll be back in Jet hell again. 40 years a Jet fan, same old Jets, etc, etc, etc. "
I'VE HAD IT Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:43am EDT"Once again, same result. CAN NOT STOP THE RUN!!! They make every running back look like GALE SAYERS!!! How many number 1 picks are on the D line? I am a long time season ticket holder, totally fed up, not going Sunday. We deserve an apoligy from ownership!!!! TOTAL DISGRACE."
JoeR Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:45am EDT"This team is getting harder and harder to watch. I think the offensive play calling is just that...OFFENSIVE! Don't you think if you make Chad throw the same out pattern three times in a row (the interception drive at the end) someone will eventually jump the pattern? Chad may not have the strongest arm, but it sure doesn't help when the coaching calls set you up for failure!"
Fanforlife Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:46am EDT"Defensively, Bryan Thomas is by far the best blitzer we have from pre-season till now when he gets a chance to run free at quarterbacks, it's a sack. Learn to coach better and develop this team into what it is. Jets don't be insulted by the record you don't have Neil O'donnell out there or Boomer Esiason. Rough schedule I only had 8-8 hope. You're on track for that! Please don't give up"
jetrn Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:56am EDT"I am a season ticket holder and attend each game wih my son. My parents had tickets since Shea. Chad is NOT responsible for every position/play. I understand frustration and disappointment, but Jet fans on this blog are mean and fairweather! Chad is a rock and team leader benching him WILL NOT SOLVE problems. Fans being negative and so harsh make Jets look worse than our record. 9 games GO JETS!!!"
Dave h Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:57am EDT"Chad is not a pocket passer, he doesnt have the arm for it, hes a play action passer, hes not rolling out of the pocket especially in the red zone. I seen him out of the pocket twice once on a run for a first down and one roll out to the right, HE NEEDS TO MOVE AROUND, the question is, is it by design or is he afraid of injury, its killing his red zone performance."
Dave h Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:11am EDT"a west coast offense requires a mobil QB, thats why he was so effective when he replaced Vinny, hes not mobil this year,and its time to drop the 3-4 D, play to the strengths of the players we have, next season make the decision,either get players to run an effective 3-4 or stick with the 4-3."
Marejet Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:13am EDT"I'm pretty tired of everyone blaming Chad!! Yeah, it was a disappointing loss, but to just blame the QB (who played with his all!) is irrational! The defense is a HUGE part of the problem! If they would stop the opposing offense from playing catch-up, Chad wouldn't be so pressured in the end!! Chad is left no choice but to force something! Oh yeah, glad we paid all those millions to D. Revis!"
jeff Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:42am EDT"Chad played very well i have to admit but his arm strenght is a killer, not to mention ANOTHER 4th quater interception as the jets were trying to score, the blame isnt all on chad, but u got to start thinking the future and by the way our offensive line cant block for JONES, and our defense still im saying it again still cant stop the run, dont want to say it but mabey we should start rebuilding.."
Cedric Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:45am EDT"Chad wasnt totally to blame for this loss, The team, down to the coaching staff loss this game. Major overhaual coming, they will be fine, but they have a long way to go. Eric is doing something wrong, we have to see his character revealed."
Jake Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:47am EDT"Uncle Joe, You may not like C.P. but I think that is a cheap shot about the fumble. He may have a few problems like they all do, but manning up is not one of them. The guy is first class and anyone who thinks he would do anything on purpose to cause the team to fail needs their head examined. The last time the Jets did anything CP was playing when most would have been home."
garrtye14 Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:03am EDT"Can't start Clem,must work him in!Why?Clem. great arm?Yes!Clem more moble?Yes!Clem.Fearless?Yes!Great pass blking OL?No!Clem pocket awareness?("Extra Eyes")Not yet! Clem.takes many hits?Yes!!Run ball more to save Clem?OL can't run block!!Keep tight end in?Less options for QB!Will they blitz Clem?You bet!Clem.then takes hit or takes off as pocket breaks!Still takes hit ,bec.tries to do more?YES!"
Jake Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:06am EDT"Uncle Joe, secondly it is pretty easy to see things on T.V replays as far as open recievers but when your line is not giving you any protection it is a little different animal. For me the problem seems to be more defensive and offensive line than quarterback. "
DAMONE Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:09am EDT"WE NEED BETTER DEFENSIVE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE IN CLEMONS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. "
Schuyler Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:21am EDT"Well there were some positives in the game, Chad aired it out early like I said he would last week, but they didn't test the edges with the run game. Simone Pouha played well against the run, but didn't get enough play time. I was dissapointed with Revis this week, he seemed lost. That hit Barrett put on Housh was impressive, maybe they should play him at safety. "
Sal Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:22am EDT"All I can say is WHAT HAPPENED? 1st half Pennington looked like the quarterback of old, throwing the ball with some mustard on it and a few longer then usual passes that probably shocked the Bengal defense. 2nd half looked like the game plan changed to the usual Jets short dump passes and the occasional run up the middle, the mustard on the throws seemed to dry up. Come on Jets get it together"
JD Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:23am EDT"I'll be interested to see if Eric puts in Clemens. Anyone who knows football knows that Chad is not the problem. If Eric thinks that Clemens will help ineffective run blocking or that somehow Clemens will make tackels on defense he crazy. This decision will show how desperate this coaching staff is."
Nep Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:37am EDT"Chad is the least of our worries - the stinkin' D and the unimaginative O are to blame. That means you, Sutton and Shottenheimer. And the flat, disinterested team with no passion week after week, that means YOU, Mangini! "
kevin Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:39am EDT"its time for mangini to shelve the 3/4 defense it is not for the players we have i don't understand why they continue to use this defense we may never win another game this year"
Tony Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:48am EDT"I was surprised to see the velocity in Chad's passes yesterday, he looked better throwing the ball than i have seen him in quite some time. Chad is have some mental issues with the game but the losses are not all Chad's fault. This defense is very dissapointing. Play calling should be questioned. "
raytom Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:51am EDT"worst offensive and defensive lines in football. no push off the ball whatsoever!"
Ira Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:20pm EDT"Randy, 1st the loss is not on Chad. If they go to Clemens so be it I will root for him with no problem. Chad played well yesterday as did Coles and some others. I think the team has hit rock bottom now. Very bad loss. Now it's time to start all over again, let some of the younger players get some experience and see what you have for next year. It can only get better. GO JETS!"
kimosabe Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:24pm EDT"explainn to me why , after being up 23-10 the jets got away from the running game ?? why take out Jones on 3rd down plays ?? does he have bricks for hands ?? Leon coming in doesn't fool anyone !! Can you think of any pro bowl candidates from the Jets defense ??(I remember a few still on the team) only the Rams may be worse defensively...maybe !"
Dee Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:26pm EDT"I'm tired of hearing the same old jets, but they are. Don't get me wrong, I love the jets. But Chad is doing bad, he's throwning way too many interceptions. He should sit the next game out on the bench."
PatsFan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:29pm EDT"You guys are going to get creamed on December 16th... ManGenius ? Bahahaaa"
Seth Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:32pm EDT"Disappointing as usual. They keep going to those ridiculous package plays with Leon Washington in the backfield. I'm sorry, but we have Thomas Jones for a reason. The first half I saw passion for the first time since we actually won a game against Miami. But, same old story in the 2nd half... total mental breakdown on everything possible. This organization and team just has no consistency."
Bob Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:34pm EDT"Is Joe Walton still calling the plays? I'm getting real tired of this year after year. Now we have to put up with a bad team, bad parking and thousands of dollars for tickets when the stadium is completed. They are not worth it! Another Monday listing to "Giants Fans" giving me the business."
Max Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:44pm EDT"Swapping QBs is not the answer. Face it the 3-4 D is useless and does not work here. Vilma is a middle line backer and he was awesome in the 4-3. They can't stop the run even against scrubs from the practice team that the Bengals threw out. Come on MAN-GENIUI it does not take a genius to figure out the 3-4 is not working,. I would put Clemons in just so he fets ready for next year."
rtbaloha Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:48pm EDT"The Patriots and Cowboys are still riding on the development Parcells had brought to those teams. It was Parcells that brought in the good players and knew how to scout. He did that with the Jets also. However, the organization has let those players go to Washington, NE, etc. Did Broadway Joe make an unholy deal to curse the Jets for all time just to win SB III? It sure seams like it."
dan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:48pm EDT"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH-MAN NO EMOTION IS KILLING THIS TEAM.I NEVER THOUGHT CHAD WAS GREAT BUT HE IS NOT THE WHOLE FAULT.AGAIN TRUE FANS SAY GO TO A 4-3 LET THOMAS - ELLIS -VILMA DO THEIR THING MAN NO HAS DESTROYED VILMA HE IS AN OUTSIDE LINE BACKER WHO MUST ATTACK.HARRIS MUST PLAY MIDDLE -WHO CARES WHAT HAPPENS NOW.PLAY MOSLEY -63 AND 91IN LINE. ON OFFENSE GO WITH DOUBLE TIGHT ENDS RYAN /BAKER "
Tomas Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:49pm EDT"A 3/4 defense only works with the right personnel, which we don't have. An inspired coach with fire and heart. Another thing we don't have."
bubba Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:50pm EDT"You can't blame the players; you need to start with the GM and work your way down to the coaches. You let your only pass rusher go to Atlanta and don't replace him and then the coaches, with no pass rushers up front, go to a 3-4 defense. Plus their Drafts have always been the WORST in the NFL, just ask Mel Kiper. "
mloria Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:55pm EDT"Uncle Joe, that is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on here. So let me get this straight; Pennington called for the snap and fumbled it on purpose, and then Mangold was like, oh, ok that was my fault(wink wink Chad). Pennington is one of the smartest qb's and most dedicated I have ever had the pleasure to watch. If he had a strong arm, he would easily be a top 3 nfl qb. "
tom spicer Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:06pm EDT"We are 1& 6 with no shot for the playoffs Chad is not the long term answer. We spent a 2nd round pick on Clemens for a reason we need to see what he has so we can determine if we need to draft a QB or not. If we start Clemens now we can do 2 things 1 get all of his rookie mistakes out of the way so next year we have a shot & 2 we can see if he is the real deal "
Martin Heanue Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:06pm EDT"i love chad pennington to death, but he is at a point where he is hurting the team and not helping. he is one dimensional QB. defenses know this and defend him well. as smart as he is, chad's phisical abilities are not on the same level as his IQ for the game. he can't scramble, can't throw the long ball with zip, and has become the second coming of vinny testaverde with the interceptions. "
evan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:15pm EDT"Agree with most all of the comments on here especially regarding the solid play of CP and our terrible defense and play calling-- I too would give Marty Schottenheimer a call, and maybe let Mangini see if he can handle being a good defensive coordinator... God knows we need one, and really good NT."
Rebeca Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:31pm EDT"I am a die hard Jets fan. I have been for 20 years. I hear a lot of people say, 'What a crappy season,' but you know what? This is the time when the team needs us most-us as fans-to cheer them on. I know one thing, all the fans of other teams are fans because there team won a SB, but we as Jets fans are fans tried and true, wins or losses. I bleed green and white, how about you? "
Larry Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:36pm EDT"Now that the 1-5 Toilet Bowl is over, when are we going to get answers to the big 2?s . Chad on the bench and a 4-3 D. Its right for Mangini to finally take some of the blame. How do you feel about this Randy? Hate to put you on the spot, but we write in and read your stuff because we respect your views. "
toyhunt Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:37pm EDT"Jets continue to let the super stars go: Abraham,Moss,etc. Too cheap to get a good team & keep star players.Too consevative when they have a lead.Same policy & poor play calling forever.Amajor change is needed. They still should have Vinny.They will not win another game this year.What a shame."
Chad Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:39pm EDT"We Need to get ride of the 3-4 defense we cant stop a high school team and need to throw some different passes other then sideline pass we went deep once and it scored never went back . What is schotinhimer thinking hes the worst offensive coordinator in the game. Bring back Vinny."
Steve Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:01pm EDT"Bad play spreads like a cancer, and you can see it happening week in and week out. Instead of improving each week, it just gets worse in all phases of the game. Changes need to be made, and it has to start with the quarterback. Let's see if the team can rally around Clemens and start playing like they're are capable of in all phases of the game. "
eric Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:02pm EDT"No way Chad is to blame for this teams woes--that said, perhaps it is time to trade him so that he can get a shot at the superbowl and we can get some help or draft picks. May he win a superbowl and shut up all his critics!!"
Steve Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:12pm EDT"A lot of comments by fans are saying it wasn't Chad's fault for the loss to the Bengals, and true, the whole team played badly. But, it is Chad's fault when he throws an out pattern and it is picked off for a touchdown. How many times has that happened this year alone? If you're going to throw that route, at least pump fake so the corner will bite, and then go up field. "
John Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:24pm EDT"I still think Chad can lead us, but with the way our defense is playing I just don't see us winning 10 games and making the playoffs at all. I say we put Kellen in, not because I think Chad should be benched, but because he needs the experience. If he is our future QB, then play him, so that we can see if we need to draft another QB come April. Chad impressed me with that 57-yarder though."
John Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:25pm EDT"Also, if you guys are going to call for Clemens and bash Chad, at least spell the kid's name right... seriously."
Joh Taylor Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:35pm EDT"I think Chad did the best he could. But he's not the defense. This team needs SERIOUS changes made. The defense first and fore most. Vilma is ProBowl level player, but not in the 3-4. He's been marginalized. If you really want a 3-4 better use the next draft to get the personal for it. Also the play calling has been terrible. Not Chad's fault. Sorry Chad....best of luck."
Bn Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:36pm EDT"people have to stop blaming individual effort, and realize that the entire team as a whole is not performing, and that is the problem"
rick Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:36pm EDT"Why wontthe jets D tackle anybody low,they arm tackle everyone pee wee tackles better, the D really stinks at it they should be ripped for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Schuyler Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:55pm EDT"I don't know if the switch to a 4-3 D will help so much. I mean it's already a hybrid 3-4 system, where Bryan Thomas lines up as a down lineman. Randy it would be interesting to see, what percent of plays we have 4 down lineman as compared to 3. Anyway, I'm thinking we need to draft a pure pass rusher, I like Chris Long from Virginia, he has over 20 tackles for a loss this season. Go Jets!"
Row Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:03pm EDT"We should find Dick Vermeil, I want a new offensive coordinator, there is a reason he barely made it to help coach the chiefs B/C of daddy... FIRE SCHOTTENHEIMER! It is NOT CP's fault. 1 more out pattern, 1 more. Im coming to the Chiefs game, by then I want a WELL COACHED TEAM! Where is Brad Smith? Where is McCarriens? Why aren't the LB's sent in gaps? Why are they in a zone? COACH I WANT ANSWERS!"
DAMONE Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:18pm EDT"ERIC MANGINI MIGHT NOT "GOOD ENOUGH".HE'S CRITISIZING HIS OWN COACHING.THIS IS TERRIBLE.HE MIGHT NOT BE WHO WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS!!"
VIC #1 jets fan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:27pm EDT"Chad is the man, but hes not the man to lead the jets anymore. Its time for a change and Clemens is ready. Hopefully he can become the star qb that the jets have been looking for forever! GO JETS!! 10-0 TO END THE SEASON!!!"
Dawn Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:33pm EDT"I agree with Steve's comment, its predictable that Chad will throw an intercetion and it will be ran in for a TD. They cannot seam to get it togethr for a whole game. They play really good the 1st half then fall part in the 2nd or vice versa. I don't blame it ALL on Chad but isn't his final say on what play he chooses? If the one given doesn't look good, pick another, doesn't he have that option? "
Artie D Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:41pm EDT"Chad hasn't been his best but its only partially him. The defense is awful and the offense isn't clutch. This isn't a bad team though. We've lost a lot of close ones. We could easily be 5-2 or at least 4-3."
Wayne Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:45pm EDT"Football is a game of blocking and tackilng and whe're not doing any of that. O line is inconsistant on run and poor pass protection for Chad. Won't matter if its Chad or Kellen w/o blockingt.D line can't tackle or rush the QB. Can't get off the field w/o exhaustion. O can't get into rythym. Jets are in disarray and Mangini looks confused in press conferences. Maybe the talent just isn't there."
joe cannella Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:52pm EDT"I'm tired of poor play,poor coaching and the same old "we'll stay the course" mentality. Do something about it Damit!! Have some pride."
mike a Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 4:06pm EDT"The bengals defence is last in the league.I am so sick Of pennington playing quarterback for the New York Jets. The only way he will see a superbowl is to be backup or coach. Starting him at quarterback is like bringing a knife to a gunfight."
Brian I Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 4:11pm EDT" I honestly believe that the coaching staff has to be taken to task for their lack of ability to play to the players strengths, instead of force feeding a system due to a STUBBORN head coach. Chris Baker saw how stubborn mangini really was this week. I do not want to hear the injury kept him from making the trip, that was retribution. Its my way or the highway attitude is starting to sting him."
Brian Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 4:58pm EDT"The Problem is Pennington. We do not have a player to rally around. Everyone is carrying the torch and he is the tide that puts it out.. He confuses the players, loses the players, and is just one too many pretty-boy smiles from being a leader."
Bryan Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 5:26pm EDT"Well maybe is not all Chad, but the calls in part of offensive cordinator is also not great, first quater chad complited 2 long passes and after that was back to the short passes, is it becasue he cant throw long or becasue they dont want him to, put Clemens to answer the question if he throws the same plays as chad the little 5 or 3 yard pasees, well maybe it wasnt the qb but the call playing. "
Gang Green Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 5:36pm EDT"Chad didn't lose the game for us yesterday. Our putrid defense and stubborn, arrogant coaching staff did. Chad played a pretty good game. He wouldn't throw so many picks if he didn't have to play so aggressive late in games. Jones doesn't get the ball nearly enough, our defensive line doesn't scare anyone, and the secondary moves like they have cement shoes. Can we please switch to 4-3?"
Canadian JETS Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 5:57pm EDT"This game really makes me see what has to be done...the Offense was moving in the first half and the Defense wasn't doing IT'S JOB FOR THE WHOLE GAME....get rid of the co-ordinator and the switch the scheme back to the 4-3 and send a BLITZ ON EVERY THIRD AND LONG....if this team was in the CFL...it would be like the Dolphins....0-16"
garrtye14 Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:24pm EDT"This is my final contribution to this site.Jets fans,let us be patient and let a two year coach get things in place!Let's show some class,"booing"is not classy!The players and coaches want to win more that we!Mangini doesn't wish to have the Jets future QB hurt!That will be an important part of his thinking!Has booing & impatience gotten us anywhere all these years?Goodbye "Homer"!!!Can't be PC"
Jake Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:29pm EDT"Randy, In pre-season they were letting Chad call some series of plays on his own just to change things up. Do you know if they have done any of that during the season. We seem to freeze up in the red zone. We have to make some changes on D. The Bengals only threw 21 times but avged 41 per game coming in.The run D is awful and it will only get worse now that the Bengals showed how easy it is!!!"
Frank Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:30pm EDT"MANGINI NEEDS TO PUT CHAD PENNINGTON IN SECOND STRINGER!!!!!!!!!!!CHAD PENNINGTON EITHER NEEDS TO THROW THE BALL FASTER OR HE IS GONNA GO TO SECOND STRINGER AND KELLEN CLEMENS TO BE STARTING OB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
JW Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:33pm EDT"I agree with Gang Green. Pur coaches are doing a terrible job. Our offense has become to predictable. Listen to oppsing teams D players talk after the game. They are able to figure out what we are doing on offense. Get a new O Coordinator and for the love of god don't run the same play 3 times in a row! "
Bobby Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:13pm EDT"The Jets offense is so predictable that I was even able to recognize the plays before the snap on TV. Even worse is the run defense. Every time the Bengals handed off the ball, I saw Jets guys just getting shoved out of the way. Each time the Bengals handed off the ball a little part off me died."
TJ Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:59pm EDT"The answer is simple. Clemens. He should have been the starter since the Raven game. Loyalty to a fault. Belicheck went to Brady and didint give Bledsoe his job back. Why after seeing Clemens stretch the field did we go back? The defnse is small and finesse style. Jets O needs to give them a two score lead so the opponent running game cant play comfortably. When we need to score fast Chad cant ."
T.Taylor Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:38pm EDT"Stop talking about benching my man pennington. It's not his fought that we are losing, our Defense is horrible and the O-line need to block. is it just me or we got the smallest players in the league. i think we need bigger and more physical players on both sides of the line. instead of focusing on pennington we need to get the d better "
Marc M Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:48pm EDT"We are playing like $%&* !!! Our run defense is pathetic. We need to stop putting the blame on our quarterback, he is not playing very well but we should NOT put in Clemens!! We need to stop the RUN! Anyone knows if you can run the ball you control the clock and you set up for the play action. Chad can do this!! we need to stop the run on D!! Well we just need our D to show up!"
Brandon Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:56pm EDT"Lets face it. The QB controversy is getting old in New York. Why? because pulling Pennington and putting in Clemens is not going to solve anything! It is evident that the Jets defense cannot stop anyone, so regardless of who leads the offense is irrelevant; they still aren't going to win with the game. Overall, Pennington looked very impressive in the game and is the true leader of the Jets!"
Xavion Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:54pm EDT"I need all of you to stop it. Y'all are annointing Clemens like you know he is the second coming of Montana or Elway. A strong arm does not a QB make. That paly calling at the end was horrendous 3 straight outs to same WR. Even Coles wasnt expecting it as he ran past the route. Not CP's fault even on the INT. if Im coaching Im throwing down field. We need a TD. Maybe theres more that clemens is..."
Xavion Said:
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:59pm EDT"Missing He may have the arm but not the awareness. Chad may be the all around better QB. All of you saying put him in now for future have quit. the season isnt even 1/2 done. If the coaches feel CP is the better qb and gives us the best chance to win then dont they have the right to get wins rather than Just treat every game as another day of practice. You cant tell your team dont worry abt winng"
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:35am EDT"I'm glad to see people finally coming to Chad's defense. The sad thing about this defense is that 5 of the top 6 tacklers are in the secondary and the number one tackler is Revis, the most tackles for loss is Rhodes and the only forced fumbles are by those two guys. I think Pouha should play more on running downs, he's 325. Than you can bring in Robertson on passing downs, he has pass rusher speed"
Diana Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 11:44am EDT"Its so sad... as much as it hurts to say it, Chad hasn't been the same since that first stellar year he had. With the surgeries and injuries, he's just lost whatever QB magic he possessed! The trouble does not stop there, are defense is non-existant as is our running game. Like a domino effect, the pieces are just methodically falling down. "
Bhalls Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 1:11pm EDT"I really believe Eric is committed to this team. If you take a look at the AFC, we can prob get a playoff spot with a 9-7rec. We have to find a way to beat NE or Dallas. Jax just lost their QB. I don't see anyone else we can't beat. This week I want to see a DOMINATING game plan. Coach, let's see why they pay you the big bucks. I want to see someone's helmet knocked off! Donnie Henderson anyone? "
finishyour peas Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 2:25pm EDT"The problem is COACHING, and line play on both sides of the ball. Each week opposing coaches make successful halftime adjustments to the Jets' scheme, and the Jets' coaches continue on as if nothing were different. LINE: Pennington was running for his life most plays in the second half. Blitzes were not picked up well. Run blocking non-existent. On defense, the Jets front line is really a JOKE!"
JR Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 2:47pm EDT"Defense or offense? What is the difference? It is all the E Man's problem, and HE AIN'T GETTIN IT DONE. He did pledge to work harder though...TOO LATE. Maybe he could let a couple of the remaing good players leave next year or make some more great trades for us......very sad E Man"
Eddyman11 Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 6:04pm EDT"The Jets have the major adjustments to make in order to save the season 1: 4-3 DEFENSE......Our best player (jonathan Vilma) should be alowed to roam free and do what he has been doing since MIAMI: MAKE PLAYS 2: Commit to running the football every quarter....our backs tend to dissapear during the course of the game 3:TWO QB system? It worked for a while in Baltimore before McNair was hurt ."
jonthan thomas Said:
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 7:17pm EDT"our problem is play calling and the D. CP did throw the INT but our D did nothing in the 2nd half. clemens isnt the answer. jones wasnt involved in the 2nd half. y? the 3-4 isnt working robertson didnt do much in the 4-3 what would he do in a 3-4? no pass rush, poor tackling. no 2rb system washingtong and jones can be a very good combo. i miss henderson and the 4-3 "
Dave Scott Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 11:34am EDT"Would somebody please call Walt Michaels and ask him to come back as an advisor. He would know how to help straighten this mess out - guaranteed. If somebody in the Jets upper management chain of command would just ask him what he thinks, it would actually help the team. We could definitely profit from his wisdom. We need his wisdom and experience help make the Jets a winner. He is the man."
Fanforlife Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 2:11pm EDT"Now the offensive line gets blamed for the loss? Were you watching the same game I was? They played really good in pass protection but when the defense blitzes 8 at center because no one is in the backfield to pick up a blitz against CP, it's the playcalling that led to a drive ending sack. As for the defense, defense played non aggressive after QB because of the receivers. TJ and CJ worst gam"
Brian Sommer Said:
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 6:16pm EDT"CP played better. It's still time to give kellen his shot. Now is the best time to get his reps in. CP would be a great backup he is one of the smartest qb's in the league. He is lacking in other areas. Bad play calling on both sides of the ball have hurt . Mangini is to stubborn to admit he is wrong. We don't have right players for a 3-4.Dbs get all the tackles cause there's no pressure up front."
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TonyR Said:
Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:49pm EDT"I thought the first few losses could have been remedied with a QB change, now I'm not so sure. The second half was so bad on both sides of the ball that I couldn't imagine what could make it better. It will take years to rebuild this organization. "