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File Under: Chad Pennington, Eric Mangini, Thomas Jones, Laveranues Coles, Bill Parcells
10/15 — Eric Mangini, at his news conference almost 24 hours after the Jets' 16-9 loss to Philadelphia was in the books, was not going where many fans who comment here and elsewhere around Jets Nation wanted him to go.
Of Chad Pennington, the Jets head coach said, "He's the starting quarterback." And in response to some pointed questioning from reporters this afternoon, he explained why Pennington will get the ball to start Game 7 at Cincinnati on Sunday.
"I can only go by the two years I've been here, but Chad's made a ton of good decisions," Mangini said. "There are definitely plays [against the Eagles] he'd like to have back and I'd like him to have back. There are things we can do better as a coaching staff to clear up those things, not just in the design of plays but in the coaching of plays."
One questioner suggested that a change of quarterbacks has been known to spark several NFL teams over the years. Mangini's reply:
"I've seen changes to the roster go both ways. It can do positive things, and it can do things that aren't as positive. You're always looking for answers that are positive and are based on an honest critical assessment of where you are."
And Mangini chuckled when reminded of a Bill Parcells dictum that one way QBs are judged is by how often they get their teams in the end zone.
"I'm going to call Bill later. I need to get a Parcells quote," he said of his former boss on the Jets from 1997-99. "I heard an old Parcells quote recently: 'It's not like going to Aamco. You can't just take out the sparkplug.' Well, I'd say it's not like going to Aamco. You just can't take out the sparkplug."
One more reporter asked if he feels Kellen Clemens isn't ready to step into the starting lineup yet. "It's definitely not that," he replied.
With that being the case, it's always good to accentuate the positive and correct the negative, not just at the QB position but all around the Jets. For instance ...
● Thomas Jones honked it up in there against the NFL's ninth-ranked run defense. And even though the third-down offense took a hit vs. the Birds, the Jets continue to convert, at 48.8 percent, better than all but Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and Tennessee.
● Yes, Philadelphia's last drive counts in the stats, but before that, the defense was playing better in the second half with two three-and-outs and its only takeaway. Donovan McNabb found his receivers often but was also under duress as the Green & White matched its three sacks through five games with three of No. 5. And until that last series, Brian Westbrook had a human 103 yards from scrimmage. And the zero TDs in four inside-the-20 trips by Philly was the best red zone showing by a Jets defense since at least 1995.
● Leon Washington improved his kickoff average, if that's possible, to a still-NFL-leading 36.4 yards per return. And Mike Nugent's only field goal miss was into the same swirling east-end-zone winds that caused the normally flawless David Akers to miss twice, and Nuge had two more touchbacks as the Eagles' average start after four KOs was their 22.
It's not mind-blowing stuff, but little is when you're 1-5. Let's make the corrections and saddle up for Cincinnati.
Chad on Crunch Downs
The twin outcomes of the third- and fourth-down plays at the Eagles 4 with four minutes left Sunday were bad for the Jets. It's a shame because Chad Pennington's record in both situations has been strong.
Since Mangini arrived, Pennington had converted seven consecutive "crunch down" QB sneaks. In fact, Chad had a Brady-esque streak of 18 successful sneaks on third- or fourth-and-1 dating to Champaign, Ill., in December 2002, when he was stopped for no gain after a fumbled snap on fourth-and-1 vs. the Bears.
And when throwing in those same situations, Pennington under Mangini had hit 11 of 14 passes (plus one sack), resulting in 11 conversions and three touchdowns — one to Chris Baker at Green Bay last year and two to Laveranues Coles (2006 vs. Miami, this season at Buffalo).
Inside the Jets
RB Thomas Jones, fresh off his best running game as a Jet, will check in with host Bob Wischusen at tonight's "Inside the Jets" show on 1050 AM ESPN Radio live from Charlie Brown's restaurant in Garden City, N.Y. Also appearing will be Hank Poteat, who picked off Donovan McNabb for his first career interception in the fourth quarter against the Eagles, and Jets Flight Crew member Meredith. The show kicks off at 7 p.m.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (133)Bryan Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:28pm EDT"I hope that Chad knows how to take advantage of the chances that Mangini is giving him becasue if he continues to make the smae mistakes he is probably going to end up sitting on the bench "
Keri Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:47pm EDT"I don't believe that you can blame the loss of a game on the quarterback! Chad does alot of good things and I like Mangini's thinking"
aosjo Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:54pm EDT"I still have faith in Chad and I still think that he can spark this team. Last year things went there way and this year things have not. The tides will turn....Go Jets!"
Jay Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:54pm EDT"Why is it that the majority of the fans, sports radio and TV show personalities and "experts" I have seen or heard agrees that it is time to make a move to Kellen but the coaching staff wont. I dont get it. The season is over, the QB play has been lousy, lets see what we have in Clemens! That would give the team a spark or at least give the fans a reason to continue watching this season "
willie norris Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:57pm EDT"chad is not the answer you to be able to go deep to open up the run game and underneth passing"
Jimbo Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:59pm EDT"Why isn't Chad Benched? If he was Thomas Jones would be much more productive because they'd respect Kellens ability to throw the deep ball instead of moving in. This is just like in baseball how the shortstop moves in when the pitcher is up to bat. Chad was always known to be accurate and a winner. He hasn't shown me that this season even when his defence showed up yesterday. Mangini must think."
Ed Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 7:01pm EDT""Leon Washington improved his kickoff average, if that's possible, to a still-NFL-leading 36.4 yards per return." great field position yet no touchdown to show for it. "It's not mind-blowing stuff, but little is when you're 1-5. Let's make the corrections and saddle up for Cincinnati" if it isn't mind blowing stuff then why prolong the QB change, Clemens is a farm boy ready to "saddle up" NOW!"
paco vazquez/tehuacan mexico Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 7:17pm EDT"I think jets are not playing focused, i had the chance of watching the game, the d-line was not playing strong , they can´t miss every tackle!, the o-line couln´t give chad some few seconds to make a better play, i think they had to change their attitude , i suggest to jets team, please read ken blanchard ´s book " high five", i think it will help them to be focused as a team. Go jets!"
Robert Schonfeld Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 7:27pm EDT"Trade Pennington he must go Mangini he lost to a terrible Eagles team what makes you think he'll win against a terrible Bengals team.Also you struggle on roads and at homes plus grass fields and turf.What's up with that any questions huh"
CaneJet Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 7:48pm EDT"Yes, it is Clemens time in my opinion. But can we call for a quarterback change without insulting Chad Pennington? I'm sick of what I've been reading."
Anthony Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:01pm EDT"Mangini needs to start Clemens if he wants to keep his job."
Big Ed Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:13pm EDT"We'll we don't care if TJ is getting positive yards. Don't care if we're third best on third down. Don't care if special teams is thriving. Do care if W's are going into the standings. On Chad - he's a west coast offense guy. If he's the QB we need to run west coast, if not then we need someone who can run a non-west coast offense."
Fred Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:16pm EDT"Randy, good to see some positive stuff from Yesterday. Last nite I was ready for a QB change @Cincy but today, I'm sure I'm one of the few that still thinks Chad should start. Once a change is made at that position I don't think there is any going back. You have to be absolutely sure Chad is finished & I just don't think he is."
john Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:17pm EDT"I thought Mangini was a pretty good coach. now I have my doubts. nothing personal directed at chad, but he has to go."
Ira Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:18pm EDT"Randy, I respect and understand Eric's decision about the QB spot. But just maybe Chad needs to sit because he is in a funk. 3 weeks in a row he couldn't get the job done. I would start Clemens this week. Leon is great and that was a very interesting stat about Chad's streak of QB sneaks. Still i probably would've given the ball to Jones."
Brian Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:20pm EDT"I have been a jet fan all my life and I can never understand why they keep a bad QB such as Pennington in the game. Sure he had some good games in the past but that's just it, his good years are gone. The guy can't even throw 30 yards and we are the laughing stock of the NFL regardless if there are teams out there without a win. At least they have a quarterback that can throw the ball"
Nic Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:45pm EDT"Mangini is far from the "Mangenius" nick name that he got after last season for taking the Jets to the playoffs in his first year. If he's still going with Pennington then obviously he's not trying to win now or plan for the future. Pennington is not a good QB anymore and the Jets have to understand this. It's very disappointing and frustrating as a Jets fan to watch this happen."
Charles Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:54pm EDT"I'm sorry but the sparkplug is dead and needs to be changed. I'm tired of saying I'm a Chad supporter but this season is over. Give Clemens a shot already Mangini this is insane. At least rest Chad a game or two something our offense needs a jump start. So what If we lose with Clemens at least you can get another look at QB and see what he can do. If your keeping Chad in at least design plays 4him"
Vish Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:07pm EDT"I don't think it's the QB position that's in question, but the Play calling/Formations that are suspect. While watching TV I used to predict whether it's a run play or pass play and 90% of the time I was right. The formations/play calling isn't fooling anybody, especially, the opposing defenses which is why TJ gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage. Brian Schotty you can be more creative."
Ryan Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:12pm EDT"Ok, everybody settle down. I was at the game when they played the patriots then I watched the game yesterday and I noticed major improvements on defense despite the early mistackle. (Tackle drills help Mangini?) Anywho, I respect Chad and he should be proud of what he did but I feel starting off 1-5, its hard to salvage the season. Give Clemens the ball because its time to try other options."
OrlandoJet Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:22pm EDT"Inexplicable! It concerns me when the coach is talking about remaining with Pennington because of "his work the last two years"! What in the world does that matter on a 1-5 team? The only interest remaining in this season is how the younger players perform to let us know whether we can win 1-2 years from now. With Chad starting, what's the point in watching the rest of this year's games?"
AlohaRTB Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:43pm EDT"I've been a Jets fan for the past 25 years and have been through some bad times. While Pennington will never be a Peyton, he is a solid QB. Do you all remember when he first stepped into the game? He was a motivator, acurate passer, and rarely made mistakes. The Jets have failed consistantly to build a team around their QB. They keep letting good WR and OL slip by."
Brandon Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:53pm EDT"A true Jet fan must ask themselves one simple question concerning Chad Pennington, without him would the Jets have made the playoffs 4 times in the last 6 years? I don't think so and to blame him for the lack of winning is absurd. He is a leader that can make plays with his precision passing and is capable of turning the Jets season around. Have some patience for the comeback player of year !"
David Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:57pm EDT"The season is gone now. I do not think they will come back from this so I don't see any reasons in not making Clemens the starting QB just to see if he can handle it for next season when they will have a good chance at the post-season."
spy Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 10:50pm EDT"chad can start for the little pass and put clemen in for the throws down the field how about that mangenous think of other plays my god what are they paying you for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Bill from Queens Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 11:10pm EDT"Maybe it's time to bench Pennington AND Mangini!"
superbowl3 Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 11:32pm EDT"1W, 5L & too many excuses. Prediction for Sunday: Cincy 37; Jets 13. One rushing TD by TJ, 2 FGs by Nuge. Chad 7 out of 15 with 2 INTs. Postgame interview: Coach, is it time for a QB change? No? Why not? Mangini: It’s everyone’s fault. The defense coulda pitcted a shutout; special teams coulda had 4 TDs and the dog ate my playbook. AND DEFEAT GOES ON…"
Harvlis Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 11:33pm EDT"I am a big Chad fan. His 41-0 win vs Colts and Payton Manning in the playoffs was the best Jet game that I ever attended. Unfortunately, his arm is not the same. As a result, he is not reacting as he used to. He has been slow to react and is getting intercepted regularly. Iit is time to look at Kellen Clemens. If Clemens is good, we have found a QB for the future. If not, draft a QB."
cheps13 Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:20am EDT"6 ints in 3 games killer ones at that ,sorry time for CHAD TO SIT!"
G-Money Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:24am EDT"I love Chad and i respect him but i dont understand how some Jet fans dont see the mistakes this guy has made in the past few games. Yes i agree, the play calling is awful but what about the INT at the end of the Bills game or the INT by Ross at the end of the Giant game? What about the lack of arm strength? With a 1-5 record and disaster staring u down its time for this team to move on to Clemens"
Seth Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:30am EDT"Kellen Clemens has at least shown what he can do in an actual game as a starter. The players don't seem to be rallying around Pennington right now. Clemens could be that spark to get them all awake. Too bad it won't happen, thats why I'm on here venting out my frustration."
nicsgirl1435 Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:32am EDT"Pathetic. SImply, pathetic. For the first time in over 25 years, I wanted to take a nap instead of watching the game Sunday. I should have napped! Please, Coach, play Clemens next game!"
Andrew Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:40am EDT"At first i found my self upset with Pennington. After all its always the quarterback who shares the blame after a loss. I'm not sure what to say. I think they need to spice the offense up. He clearly is capable of 20+ yard passes. These dink passes over the middle do not win football games. He completes 80 percent of his passes but has 103 yards passing so go figure. "
justin Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:43am EDT"I think that Chad has even begun to realize that the avereage lifespan of a playerin the NFL is a short couple of years. Chad has been my favorite player since 2002, but he just isn't producing. Clemens is the future of the franchise, and perhaps they need to rotate the two quarterbacks, like Arizona, to give Kellen some reps as well. Eric, dont drag this thing out, give the kid a shot."
Richard Hames Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:12am EDT"Chad can't throw the ball 30 yards down the FIELD...do you watch Mr Brady or Mr Manning..Throw the BOMB to make the field a little BIGGER..If Chad can do it...Then do it..It's not brain surgery hear...the defenses are crowding the line and laughing at us..."
Row Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:31am EDT"Since the only thing we can do is run, I say we start Smith and run the spread offense. Does Brian know he holds the NCAA Div 1A record for rushing quarterbacks with 4289 yards? He also passed for over 8,000yds with over 3 K total for 3 years. E. Coleman looked good. Robertson had a sack. Randy, someone, interview Brad Smith. Im from the MO. Find D.Harrington, invite the MIZZOU LB to camp! GO JETS"
george Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 2:01am EDT"chad is a great guy..and im not saying to rip him out of the picture completely...but when he's floundering...take a coupleof sets of downs and give clemens a try..just to give the other teams defense something to adjust to...Chad's a Rhode's scholar...true..but Clemens isnt some dumb guber either. give the kid a shot..dont be so locked in to JUST CHAD...THE OFFENSE HAS BECOME SOOOO PREDICTIBLE!"
Vinny Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 2:09am EDT"I am rooting for Chad, he's been a very good quarterback the past few years, and it is ludacris to blame him for the losses. I am guessing Mangini knows what he is doing by keeping Chad a bit better than the media. "
Bhalls Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 2:15am EDT"Dyson blows another HUGE gain (75yds). Somebody coach this guy. Why is he starting? It seems certain players show up, and others don't. I see the same players being "inconsistent." Is there a reason why we have a better additions and are losing unbelievably? We should completely dominate the Bengals with our secondary, and our running attack. Brian, lets see a cut-throat offense. 40pts run run run"
John Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 3:35am EDT"Actually it is very simple. Does anyone here honestly think that Chad will be back next year the way he has played this year, with his injury history, and with that cap hit? No way!! So we should no longer delay the inevitable by wasting an opportunity to get Clemens experience. Look to get some D-lineman in the draft and come back next year with new approach. "
ron Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:14am EDT"I remember the playoff game against the steelers. we had no offensive TDs. That was the year our defensive carry us. because CHad was hurt that season. I still didn't why Quincy Carter wasn't put in the line up. Everybody could see that Chad will never be Chad again. he's hurt from an injury that he will not recover from. WE is 1-5 now something got to give. what is this coach is doing"
Vaughn Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:40am EDT"Coach, take a look at your boy Romeo in Cleveland. Ship off the bad quarterback, start winning games. It's a good formula. 124 passing yards from Chad.........unacceptable. A good quarterback should be hitting the 200 yard mark every week. Bad Chad needs to go. "
Rich Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:39am EDT"It's not all chads fault Jets had 3 and 1 late in the game and do a QB sneak then on 4 and 1 they throw fade route to Coles (what he is 5'9 with heels on) Why in the world did jones not get the rock both downs. On the chad news a weak arm only goes so far in the nfl and its taken him as far as he will go. Time for change this team needs a spark."
Dunnie Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:13am EDT"One thing I will give Mangini is the benefit of the doubt on Chad. Here is why. Mangini is trying to establish a culture of consistency. A culture where excellence is the standard and sub par play is an apparition. Because there are many issues to deal with here he believes that a change in QB will unsettle the progress that HAS been made. I was calling for KC .. but now ill wait and see."
j-rod Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:38am EDT"anybody can have a good QB rating when u only make 5 and 10 yard passes if i was QB for the jets and just made 5 and 10 yard passes you all will think im great 2.how can u make BIG plays when your WR's always gotta come back for the ball and pay for it with a big hit..dont forget you cant even touch the kid if anybody does he's out 4 the season..come on!!! only 1 FULL SEASON..time 4 a change now!!"
uncle joe Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:11am EDT"If you cant win a game when yor defence gives up only 16 points at home with no injuries league leading field position and over a hundred yards rushing,not to mention above average receivers,then you need to GO."
Ira Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:18am EDT"Randy, Not to sugar coat the problems the Jets have but there really isn't much difference in this league from a 6-10 team to a 10-6 team. Look at the games the Jets have lost except for the Pats game. Each game came down to 1-3 plays and instead of being 1-5 they could be 5-1 or 4-2. There is just no margin for error when you play in the NFL. GO JETS!!!!!!"
njphones Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:35am EDT"I am sure that people are going to be very happy that our coach is sticking with Chad. People like the Bengals, Bills, Dolphins, Cowboys, Washington, Pittsburgh the Pats and every other team we face this season. They must be thrilled. In an ironic note, the October player on my NY Jets wall calander is Pete Kendall. On top of everything else I have to look at that all month!"
Nestor Rodriguez Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 8:01am EDT"I'm sorry but what is Mangini going to have to see that Chad has to be out. Every defense in the NFL know how to play him. We cant win any more like this. I dont know if he was with NE when that Brady guy came in. Im not saying th KC will do the same but give the man a chance while we still have some hope of turning it around. It might be too late when he makes that QB change. Plz make the chng!"
Mia Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 8:10am EDT"I am a Jets fan going on only 10 years but Chad Pennington is a good quarterback that needs his team to back him up. There is not alot of effort coming from some of the players and Mangini needs to address that NOW. The season is not over, 10 more games......I see the Jets ending with a .500 season or 7-9. Improvements can be made."
Darrell Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 8:50am EDT"Mangini must not like working in New York. "
Michael R. Cohen Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:12am EDT"I have a question for Coach Mangini, if Chad is such a sparkplug, then how come this team looks dead? Chad may be a nice guy, but the fact remains that this guy has spent more time on injured reserved than on the field, and when he plays you get results like you did on Sunday. It is time to move on and try Kellen Clemens and see if he can really be the guy. "
Peter Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:18am EDT"Listen - its very simple. I love Chad, but the bottom line is the team is not growing. Is just barely making the playoff good enough anymore. It's time to change QB's, we need to give Clemens 4- 6 game this season so we are setup for next years draft."
kgp Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:19am EDT"Chad is NOT responsible for the corners and safeties having to stop the run (if at all). Chad is NOT responsible for the opponent's wide open receivers (so wide open they're the only ones in the TV screen). Schottenheimer was a "Mad Scientist" last year. Where did that go?"
Larry Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:27am EDT"You cant put the blame solely on the QB. But the rest of the team feeds off the actions of their leader. We saw this with Vinnie. I didnt think my feelings while watching Chad could get worse until my anger turned to pity on Sunday. You cant taylor your whole plan around the shortcomings of 1 player for the way he's played in the past. I think Manginis pride is making most of his decisions lately."
JR Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:33am EDT"Stop the bleeding Eric...any good business person knows when it's time to cut your loses and move on. When you came hear I was unsure about your credentials...not any longer! You lack the experience to make the tough decisions so let me help. Bench Chad for a few...weeks , months or whatever it takes to get him back to playing like he wants to win (for us that is). GET IT?"
Charles Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:47am EDT"I'm not a Chad basher I know he got us two the playoffs 4-6 years but he's not the same as last. I never seen Chad make so many mistakes until this year. I think the play calling is horrible at least design the plays that suit him and take advantage of his strong points. I know every one is calling 4 Clemens including myself as much as I like Chad this team needs a win bad. lets get a win already."
brett Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:21am EDT"I have yet to miss a jet game in 10+ years, but I will do so this week if penny starts. I am a fan of the TEAM, and if you beleive that chad will hoist the lombardi trophy you are insane or you dont watch enough football.. go jets!!! minus chad"
Neterka Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:24am EDT"Chad Pennington obviously limits our offense. What has Chad done for us lately? Its time to go with the better athlete."
JOHNNYJET Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:35am EDT"HEY RANDY! ISN'T THE TRADING DEADLINE TODAY? THE JETS BETTER DO SOMETHING!!!! TRADE VILMA TO GET BETTER PLAYERS!!!"
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:52am EDT"The Jets need someone to make plays, it's those couple plays a game where someone needs to step up and show that they can take a game into their hands. Leon Washington has showed some momentum changing skills, but he doesn't get enough touches for him to take over the game. That's what we need to get, by draft, trade or free agency. Until someone steps up, we're going to lose a lot. GO JETS!"
Vikram Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 11:00am EDT"Brandon, you may be right, but keep in mind that in this league, the QB shoulders a lot of the responsibility. Its not Chad's "fault" per se, but one cannot ignore his limitations either. TJ is less productive because the D crowds the box. Chad is rushed because the D crowds the box. Why? Because the threat of the deep ball is non existent. Plus you're only as good as your last game."
Vikram Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 11:09am EDT"Also, keep in mind that last year was Chad's comeback year. Ppl weren't sure what to expect. This year they are more aware of his capabilities and limitations, hence they approach him differently. So the things he did last year that brought the Jets success might have a different outcome this year. "
Nep Oznat Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 11:12am EDT"I’m seeing a very disturbing trend: Mangini NEVER admits mistakes - like the bad play calls on 3rd & 4th down, like playing the 3-4 with 4-3 players. He is doomed to failure because the only way to learn is to first admit you were wrong - otherwise you will persist in your folly. This stubbornness, this "I’m always right" attitude of his will be the reason he gets fired in two years or so."
Chris Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:10pm EDT"We need Pennington. Who can forget 2002. I know this is 5 years later, but to just throw him out would be wrong."
Dave h Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:24pm EDT"mangini is fast loseing the support of jet fans, chad because of his arm has always had one foot in the dog house, even in his good years before defenses figured him out. HES NOT GETTING IN THE END ZONE, NOBODIES FAULT BUT THE QUARTERBACK, TOO MANY DRIVES WITH TOO FEW POINTS, WAY TOO MANY PICKS , PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Dave h Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:33pm EDT"Chads past dosent put points on the boards today, like any player not performing well you take them out, to keep chad in because of his past is stupid, besides you eliminate all passes under ten yards or so and he not productive at all, dont even dare to compare him to the great QB's of the game."
Sal Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:35pm EDT"My feeling is this, No opponent fears the Jets passing game with Chad at the helm, so every defense plays tight which makes the running game none exist, and short passes easy to cover. There is no zip or power behind the throws. I sit at the games and could call almost every play before they snap the ball. Imagine someone with the experience on the opponents side can do. Time for a change. NOW !"
Shawn Dena Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:50pm EDT"in todays nfl games i feel that every once and a while you need to have the defence scared your gonna go deep. If the defence your playing against don't respect the deep route then safetys strart to creep up and curl routes start getting telegraphed and intercepted, It also makes running harder. Why don't defences respect the deep pass cause PENNINGTON DON'T HAVE A DEEP PASS. "
duaine Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:54pm EDT"There it goes again Jets of the old thats why NY teams find it hard to be successful because we love to live in the pass. How many times Mangini is going say Chad would love to take back a few things from the game, lets take back the big salary Chad how about that !"
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 12:56pm EDT"Ira, I agree with you, outside of the Patriots game, the Jets average point deficit in defeats is 7 points. That's one play either way and we're sitting on a better record. The dropped ball in Baltimore, the missed field goal in Buffalo, the Aaron Ross pick and missed takle on Burress against the Giants, the missed tackle on Kevin Curtis last sunday. We need someone to step up in these situations."
Dylan Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:19pm EDT"Nep is right. Mangini never admits to mistakes and speaks in Martian when asked a direct question. He has lost most the Jets fans and he might get fired eventually, no matter how much he is friends with the GM."
Ira Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:28pm EDT"Randy, Bob's show Inside the Jets on 1050 espn has been on the internet only the last 2 weeks because of the baseball playoffs. They still should take calls like they usually do. Last night Jones and Poteat were good. Buttle filled in the slot where they would've taken calls. Is that how it will be for the rest of the year?"
Naquan Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:31pm EDT"I love Pennington as a person, very good guy!! but when we needed him to be the man in that playoff loss to the raiders i knew he wasnt our QB. the 1 chance i thought he could win it at he got hurt we ended up 3-13."
Steve Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:34pm EDT"Mangini always said that the players who give the team the best chance to win will start. If any one on the O line gave up six sacks in three games, do you think they would be starting? I love Chad for his heart and courage, but he is not giving the team the best chance to win right now. Mangini needs to stick to his word regarding starting the best players."
Cover2 Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:41pm EDT"After this press conference, Im convinced... blah blah blah... Jets are not getting the job done point blank and they. It has always been this way since I've been a fan. I've realized the Jets organization just doesnt have the same passion or knowledge to win like other organizations.. such as Patriots, Steelers, 49ers, Colts, Broncos, Cowboys, etc. Jets accept being in the middle of the pack"
garrtye14 Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 1:57pm EDT"Look! The New York Jets (organization) don't even know that we're alive(as individuals)!When I'm at the game,I sometimes look about at the crowd and wonder:How many of these 80,000 people have had too much to drink? How many of these(drinkers)will get behind the wheel of a two ton "projectile", point it in a general direction & place everyone in danger?Which millionaire starts at QB?Who cares?"
Brandon Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 2:03pm EDT"Don't you think that if Clemens was that much better he would have taken the job by now. The same people who want Clemens in are the same people who thought Ray Lucas was the future of the team. Don't let emotions get in the way of your thought process. When we are officially out of the playoff hunt (which is any week now) Clemens will go in. Its as simple as that."
poziteevo Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 2:12pm EDT"I love these people who keep pointing to how Chad took us to the Playoffs in 02 and 06.Give me a break.There were other people on the team besides him.I think if they had had a better quality qb they would have won the SuperBowl those years.How many games have you watched on the edge of your seats just to see him throw it to the other team?What do you think that does to the defense?"
john Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 3:30pm EDT"i think we should give clemns the ball all the fans are frustrated like everybody is saying wee need answers and i think putting in clemens is the answer and give chad a rest maybe clemens is the next pennington he could throw the ball and could throw deep and good accuracy and thoffense line is doing good its just pennington take to long to throw the ball so they sack him mangini wee want kellen"
Jared Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 3:50pm EDT"Why are some of u bringing up the Chad from 2002 who rallied us, that was 5 years ago! There was a time when Testaverde was the man but he had to be benched for the future QB. Chad has had 2 shoulder surgries and opposing D's have studied him enough to realize he doesnt have the skill to throw down field. He doesnt surprise anyone anymore. Its time to bench him and move on."
AlohaRTB Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:00pm EDT"Take Colt Brennen in the '08 draft. That boy can throw and bring his team around. Watch any of the UH games. He had 75 pass attempts this past weekend against San Jose and passed for close to 600 yards. Probably will be a underrated QB's to come out in the draft because of what college he's coming from. Take this boy Mangini and get the surfboards ready."
Rob Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:04pm EDT"It takes a team to win a game and loose too. What we've seen are mistakes by lot of players and coaches during these games. But Mangini is right, we're not too off and that is the reason we're not loosing big. I think what should've been taken care of in off season, team dynamics is taking place little late."
Greg Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:27pm EDT"We were second and 1 with the end zone just some 5 yards away and we blew it. We were well aware that we had blown 2 games in succession before that. But that didnt stop us. We went ahead and blew this one as well. I think Coach Mangini and Chad need to take a long hard look at themselves. This team is not learning. It is not improving on offense and the numbers don't lie."
Jet Fan in Chicago Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:50pm EDT"Randy, your point about the Jets' 3rd down conversion rate being the 4th best in the league only goes to show what a meaningless stat it is. They don't say 1-5, "but really good on 3rd down." In the words of Phil Mushnick, who cares!!!"
Brandon Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 4:53pm EDT"I say let Chad go deep a few times against the Bengals, to even see if he can, to PROVE to us he can still go deep. I haven't even seen him try and complete a pass deep yet. Whats the farthest he has throw so far? 25 yards? Just gun it."
sal Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:01pm EDT"think i will watch vinny this weekend, till these guys figure it out. pennington is still checking out of too many plays, and into trouble, how can you have a game plan"
Ed Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:07pm EDT"Coles was quoted saying "the Jets don't need a change, or we need is a win and this all goes away" sorry Coles but what does a win accomplish? a 2-5 record, we're looking @ the future and that is what matters because let's face it the Jets are never going to the super bowl or win it for that matter with chad and that's what is all about getting to the super bowl and actually having a chance to win"
EDDIE ZZZZZZ Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:25pm EDT"HEY BRANDON , HE (CLEMMONS) DID WIN HE JOB IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRE-SEASON PERFORMANCES! MANGINI IS NOW AND WAS THEN IGNORING THE OBVIOS "
Nick Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:29pm EDT"The problem with chad is that he cant strech the field. The opp D puts 7-8 in the box bc its going to be a run or a quick slant. He cant put the ball more than 15 yards downfield so they treat every play like a run. As a fan it breaks my heart to sit here and watch the coach stick with him after every game. Grossman went to the super bowl last year and now he on the bench why does chad get a pass?"
FRANK Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:39pm EDT"it is time to give kellen clemens his shot at QB. CHAD has been inconscistent and has made many bad mistakes. Also we dont even have the long ball with him. I say give it to the the young gun slinger (clemens) and let him grown and learn to be a great QB."
Duane Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 5:43pm EDT"Chad may be brilliant and his statistics are good. But he is holding back this team. The ball takes so long to get to recievers that his recievers that the defense have no fear of him. He hurts his recievers and he is hurting his running game because the defense doesn't have any fear of the mid-range or long pass. He simply doesn't have a strong enough arm to be a good quarterback."
Reginald Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:10pm EDT"I agree with you Brandon! Just let it be shown if Chad can throw the deep ball. Worst that happens is an interception and that's like a punt! Send Coles on a go route and just catch the secondary off guard! Teams across the league will notice that play and game plan differently! "
Chuck Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:27pm EDT"My beef is Manginis comment on how a switch could be negative as well as possitive? there isnt anything possitive about penningtons arm or their record. 1-5 vs. the patriots 6-0. lets face facts. now is the time to salvage the good and build for the future of the franchiese and it isnt chad pennington. Let Kellen get in there and learn and see what comes, if you lose at least you tried"
Al Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:42pm EDT"I agree with a lot of the previous comments. The Jets Management has to start looking at the future NOW, not next season. Lets see if Clements can do it in this league and why wait another year when you could be easing him in now while it already doesnt matter for this current season. Let him learn in 2007 and not next year or you risk having 2 bad years in a row. Mangini, think about it for once."
slater Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:43pm EDT"its definately time for a change. chad has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns it seems. he is smart, but when opposing defenses line up a mere five yards off the line of scrimage its time to change qb's. "
aosjo Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 6:58pm EDT"Mangini is with the team all the time. He must know something that the rest of us do not know. I have faith in his approach and his decisions. This could be a bad year for gang green, but there is always a chance for a miracle year. Love this team no matter if they win or lose. "
jetsnut1 Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:14pm EDT"chad is awful...he never used to lose games before. He would just manage them and the Jets would find a way to win. now that hes losing games by himself I think its time for him to go. It also looks like he has actually lost arm strength if that was possible for him to do. Give Kellen a go."
James Boyd Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:19pm EDT"I saw two men in the right side end zone Sunday; Chad did not. Ok it was designed for Cloes but the right side was more favorable. Chad, cannot go deep, cannot scramble and is telling in his reads. Must we bleed every year! Can I not see a Super Bowl Before I die! Why must we commit to losing. If it's broke fix it. I'm just tired of being sick and tired of losing. Change can be good!"
Sally Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 8:17pm EDT"why are we blaming chad. its the whole team not clicking. the run game is horrible and puts more pressure on the QB. chad has done great things in the past and even this season. get off his back. GO JETS "
Drew Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 8:35pm EDT"Baker is questioning B-Schott (he's right) the fans have turned on Chad (we are right) TJ is disgusted we the offense (as is everyone else) The Tangini bloom is off the rose.. trading multiple picks in this draft when we needed alot of help?(love revis though) best players play and then trade Kendall? Chad has played AWFUL and still starting? I like our GM/Coach but things have changed quickly...."
Rick Roselli Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:21pm EDT"Mangini needs to wake up , why is he so loyal to Pennington everybody can see he has no arm. Defenses are reading him like a book , he has no gun as other fans quote. Defenses are jumping on the throws, What could go wrong with Kellen, Lose another game I and many others fans would like to see him play get the experience that is the change they need. And everybody else has to step up to the plate"
JP Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:34pm EDT"OK - with the trade deadline passed and the Chad rumors dead, there is only one option for Brian Schott to do: Unleash the Offense! Either put Clemens in the game to get a spark with the offensive plays being called or let Pennington do what we hope he can still do...no more long side line "interceptable" passes and more inside slants and deep center routes...where is Brad Smith?"
rickhatesthepats Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:36pm EDT"Let's be honest Jets Fans...Chad cant throw the ball hard and we've seen five picks all close to the sideline!!! Do the math Eric, throw over the middle, slants, fly patterns, ins, or posts...DO NOT THROW AN OUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!!!!!"
JP Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:37pm EDT"I personally believe that Jet fans are going to give Magini this one more week. if it backfires than JET fans and media will be calling for his resignation. Chad has got to put the ball down the field with receivers in stride and the line needs to keep opening holes for TJ - the D needs to continue with the 3-4/4-3 mixed schemes. Above all, this team needs fire, when the O fails, the D dies."
Jason, FL Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 11:03pm EDT"I don't see how people can't seem to understand that what we're getting from Chad is the best we're going to get from Chad. Give Chad another chance? For what? He'll never win a superbowl. The NFL has him figured out, play tight and dare him to go long, and without a shutdown defense we can't expect to win many games when Chad is forced to try and stretch the field. Trade for draft picks!"
Ablity Mouwon Said:
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 11:18pm EDT"i am a chad pennigton fan but when a guy can gun you can tell, i watched the gaints game and it was new to see such a zip on the ball, chad can go down feild, he just can make short throws to the sideline and he have to start pump faking more because coner seem to jump allot of his passes, it have too much hang time. i say we trade coles to egles fot RG. S.Andwers and or conerback S.BROWN. think"
Row Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 12:47am EDT"My success plan vs Bengals, Mangini: 1Do not run an out pattern unless <2min. 2Give Jones the ball early. 3Play action.4McCarreins was getting wide open, use him.5Blitz Rhodes6Call play for yds of catch, not after.7use B.Smith if QB runs.8Screen to Leon9Don't give up the big play"
Bhalls Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 12:57am EDT"Just for everyone Pennington 6td-6int in 5 games. "
Butler Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 2:19am EDT"I feel that most of our problems come down on the coaching staff. A fade route on 4th and 1 was not a good play call at all. Its been over a year, and the team still cant stop the run in the new defense. The jets linemen and LB's are sutied for the 4-3, but stubborn mangini insists on staying with the 3-4. "
KenP Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 8:08am EDT"Jet Nation : maybe give it a little push ... I KNOW it costs alot of $$ to attend the games, but you're supporting this nonsense. Do you want to see yet another missed chance to score, another 4-yd dump-off? Go to an I.M.A.X. that day ... empty the stadium seats ... THAT will be the clearest message of all."
superbowl3 Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 1:23pm EDT"Dble-talk/Tangini speak says 1-2 plays don’t lose a game but only a few plays separate 1–5 from 4–2. Duh! We only get high char players yet signed Underwood (NYG released for char issues). They cite Dyson’s missed tackles, but soft-peddle INT with “I’m sure he’d like to have that throw back.” Other team QB’s great, wins in 4QTR. with us it’s never 1 person. W-L OFTEN COMES DOWN TO 1 CLUTCH PLAY!"
Cincy Jet Fan Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 2:23pm EDT"Gotta stick with the hanging Chad. There are 11 players on the team, and he is still the 2nd most accurate quarterback in the league this year (behind T. Brady). I'm in Cincinnati, and will be cheering from the end-zone of the game this weekend, and will enjoy reading people's posts when he leads the team to a VERY solid win. I see this being the puzzle piece that gets us going."
jayson Said:
Wed, October 17, 2007 - 4:06pm EDT"THIS IS TERRIBLE BY THE JETS FRONT OFFICE AND COACHES!!GET CHAD OUT OF THERE!!!WE WILL NEVER WIN A SUPERBOWL WITH CHAD PERIOD!!YOU GIVE KELLEN 8 GAMES TO SEE WHAT HES HE GOT FOR NEXT YEAR!!IF NOUT DRAFT A QB NEXT YEAR!!"
christian james Said:
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 1:30am EDT"Didnt we see two great examples of "staying the course" We saw it in Iraq and look how well that's going. I also recall the movie "The Perfect Storm" where they stayed the course and look how well that turned out. Hey! Eric! make the change. It doesnt take a Mangenius to know where this is going!"
Row Said:
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 2:42pm EDT"Mr james, I don't appreciate the cheap shot about Iraq. I am an OIF marine veteran. If we weren't in Iraq, our economy would be controlled by a Muslim extremest. When we leave, it will start WWIII. As to Mangini, I am sure he is making his heartfelt call with Chad, although when we were 1-3 he did the same thing. I still think the changes have been made, finally, and we will BLOW OUT the Bengals."
Todd Said:
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 3:33pm EDT"I just do no understand the Jet's managment! Mangini really thinks that Chad is our best option to winning games. That is sad! were 1-5 Chad had 6TD's and 6 INT's. That is the worst ratio ever! How is that in anyway our best path to win's! Mangini either your blind or in denial! You drafted Clemens he is your boy put him in!!!!!"
Jonathan Thomas Said:
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 7:57pm EDT"Why is everyone against Chad as i recall when he first started for us we were 1-4 and we made the playoffs. there's a reason why kellen is a backup and chad is the starter. what did he do against baltimore 50%? 1 TD? 2INTs? not very good stats. look at the defenses we have played. The Pats where he went 16-21, he beat the dolphins no one is doing great on either side of the ball. STOP BLAMING CHAD"
Larry Bourdeau Said:
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 9:27pm EDT"Coach Mangini, I have to respect your decision to keep chad as the starting quarterback. However, I hope you see something that I haven't. We need a serious boost and I have to give our defense this last game a huge round of applause. Now it's time to light a fire in our offense!!"
Joe Said:
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 12:01am EDT"I wonder how bad the record needs to be before a quarterback change is made. 1-8? 1-12? This weekend will be very telling as the Bengal defense seems to enjoy giving it up by both air and ground. If Chad's the guy, he should shine this week. If he doesn't, then I guess we need to keep talking about it."
CD Said:
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 9:18am EDT"How come nobody remember's what Pennington has brought to the Jets. Even this year you can see the heart and passion he has for the game. I was at both the New England and Miami game. When Pennington came back after the series he went down, he drove down the field and threw a touchdown. With the game on the line against miami he rain it in for a touchdown. Pennington stays starter, get better OL."
cactus hugger Said:
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:41pm EDT"To CD & others who think Chad should stay because of what he did in '02; let's not forget what a guy named Namath did in '69 - maybe he should suit up. I bet he can still throw it farther than Chad. As one who remembers the early days, when it was hard find something to read about the Jets in the NY papers, I love this forum. Go Jets! Let Brad Smith throw some long passes! Go Jets!"
TonyR Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 2:54am EDT"I'm almost certain that Chad should not be the starter for another game. His performance all year hasn't been worth 8 dollars let alone 8 million. Mangenius can act zen-like and dismiss the reality, but if Pennington turns out another lackluster performance, he must be benched."
Leenie in NC Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 7:01am EDT"Everyone stop the belly aching with Chad. He has NEVER had a strong passing arm. The loss against the Eagels was due to coaching. Yes, Chad is great at quarterback sneeks, but Jones ran for over 100 yds. on 3rd and 1 the ball should have been put in Jones' hands. Then again on 4th if needed. I LOVE Mangini, but I felt those 2 plays were the WRONG calls. Go JETS! "
Dave Scott Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 7:02am EDT"Chad Pennington is a very worthy quarterback. He has done a lot of great things and will continue to do a lot more. Have some faith for crying out loud. A true fan will get behind their team and cheer harder and louder even when their doing bad. That's what being a true fan is all about. I know Chad will turn this team around, and a lot of you will have egg on your face. Go Chad, go Jets. "
Bentley Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 10:09am EDT"I think a change at quaterback is needed if it does not work change back he is just trying to hard to make a play and that pass i getting weaker and weaker"
Dugan Terwilliger Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 12:11pm EDT"Chad has been a great QB for the Jets over the years but it is time for him to step down. He has been able to succeed in the past through out thinking the opponent, but now other teams have begun to catch on. Chad has not been able to compensate to these changes due to his lack of arm abilities. Kellen is the guy for the future and it is time to give him a chance. GO JETS!!!"
Dave Scott in Norfolk, Va. Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 12:11pm EDT"Maybe the Jets management could bring Walt Michaels back as an advisor to Mangini. The Jets almost went to the superbowl under Walt Michaels, and I am sure he would be an asset to the Jets and Mangini."
Simmie Said:
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 2:12pm EDT"I think the Jets head coach really needs to think about what he is doing and make better decisions this is his second year and before long he better be careful before he gets fired for not making the right decison so come on manigie wake up and change the quarterback it is what everybody else wants u to do how many chances are u gonna give chad any other coach would have changed by now wake up."
Todd Said:
Sun, October 21, 2007 - 1:08am EDT"I think the coach knows what to do and knows whats best for the team. I'm also positive that he doesn't need nobodys telling him what he "should" do."
Dave Scott Said:
Sun, October 21, 2007 - 2:20pm EDT"In response to Todd who thinks the coach doesn't need anybody to tell him anything - even the most highly placed men and women have advisors. I have respect for coach Mangini, but I am sure even he listens to the folks that work underneath him. I think Walt Michaels would be a great asset to him and the Jets as an adivisor. He almost led the Jets to the Superbowl through his wisdom and knowledge"
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Mikey P SEC 223 Row 3 Said:
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:22pm EDT"Alright, maybe a lot of Jets fans are calling for Pennington's head, but why doesnt Mangini give Clemens a few series or a quarter. It will only help him if he see's diffrent defenses and not just our defense."
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