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File Under: Thomas Jones, James Ihedigbo, training camp, Rex Ryan, Damien Woody, Bart Scott, SUNY Cortland
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08/03 — There were highlights to today’s morning practice at SUNY Cortland, but they were mostly of the pugilistic variety.
“It was a little rock-‘em-sock-‘em robots out there,” head coach Rex Ryan said at today’s early afternoon news conference. “It always happens in camp.”
And after the Jets’ offense and defense swung and shoved and brawled on several occasions during the seventh practice of camp, linebacker Bart Scott saw it all as a good thing.
“It’s not budging, not giving an inch,” Scott described the mentality of him and his teammates on both sides of the ball. “It’s not being like thugs. It’s just being a guy that’s willing not to back down from any situation. Sometimes, you’ll get people of two equal forces butting heads. Sometimes there’s going to be some attitude, some fisticuffs a little bit. Once we get in the locker room, it’s all over with. It’s good for practice.”
The fuse was lit for the ensuing fireworks when, during 9-on-9 drills, running back Thomas Jones took a swing at first-year safety James Ihedigbo. Both sides of the ball collapsed on the players and it was quickly broken up.
“Thomas said somebody was holding him,” tackle Damien Woody said. “He was trying to break free, and they kept holding him, and he got frustrated.”
“It was a phantom punch,” Scott rebutted. “I think it was Thomas, but he can’t be accurate with biceps that big.”
The gloves were dropped by both units again on a Shonn Greene run. Then a third scuffle broke out between DB Ahmad Carroll and OL Robert Turner. When they and some teammates fell to the turf, Darrelle Revis came in with an atomic piledriver, although it seemed more in fun than with evil intent.
If there was a teachable moment in all of this, it was just that. Nobody wants this to happen but it does and then it’s over with.
“It’s hot, it’s camp, everybody’s irritated, sleep-deprived, the bed is hard, cable stinks,” Scott said. “You gotta have a little attitude.”
And some tactics don’t hurt either. Scott said his favorite approach is to “hug a veteran.”
“A crafty vet would just grab another vet and squeeze him a little bit. While the rest of the people are fighting, ‘I got Woody,’ “ Scott said, as Woody stood next to him holding a TV microphone while conducting a mock interview. “He said he should’ve expect that from an Eastside Detroit guy.”
And Ryan said he saw something he doesn’t recall ever having seen before in a camp pileup.
“I saw the offensive unit, they were pulling off defensive players, and the defense was pulling off offensive players,” the coach said. “The reason you do that is so your buddy can get another shot in. You don’t pull off your own players. So I was impressed with the way the guys handled that.”
“It’s all about us wanting to build an identity on offense,” Woody said, echoing his veteran linebacker friend’s. “Coach Ryan talks about playing like a Jet. We don’t want to take anything from anybody.”
Yet Ihedigbo, who had some happy words with Jones later, underscored the team-building part of days like this.
“I let ‘em know at the end of practice that I don’t need ‘em fighting each other,” Ryan said. “Sometimes it’s good to let off a little steam. Things like that happen. But I sense there’s a lot of pride in their particular units. There’s pride in that defense, pride in that offense. What you’re going to see, I think, is you’re going to have pride in that whole team.”
Update: A few more highlights of the football kind:
Kellen Clemens again mixes some strong throws with some he’d like to have back. He finds Jerricho Cotchery with a beautiful sideline throw-and-catch, then Leon Washington makes an over-the-shoulder 15-yard grab. But the next play, KC’s deep out-route for Chansi Stuckey is tipped at the line by Bart Scott — and winds up in the hands of Revis, who would’ve taken it to the house.
Unofficially, that’s Pick No. 4 in four days of team drills for Revis.
Clemens also nails TE Dustin Keller with another 30-yarder earlier.
Erik Ainge throws a pass that goes from bad to good in a flash as he tries to find WR Paul Raymond covered by DBs Keith Fitzhugh and Emanuel Cook. The ball is batted in the air and Raymond, never breaking stride, plucks it from the air for the score. Fitzhugh is shaken up on the play and will get an MRI on his shoulder.
NT Kris Jenkins (calf) remains on the sidelines stretching and walking. TE Richard Owens was on the stationary bike with an undetermined injury.
Jets owner Woody Johnson is spied at his first camp practice, talking at the 15-yard line with GM Mike Tannenbaum.
"It’s about enjoying it," he said. "That’s the kind of edge that we want to have and that’s the kind of attitude we want to develop as a team. We are going to enjoy each other's company off the field and on the field. Tempers may flare, but that’s a part of playing football."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (22)Ira Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:25pm ET"Imagine how things might have been if it was 90 and humid. From what i have seen over the weekend this is a very feisty group of players. I think this might turn out to be one of the most physical teams the jets have ever put on a field. Thomas also had a little something yesterday and Kellen broke it up. And most of all good to hear from Drew."
JETS4LIFE Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:33pm ET"the Brawling between Offense and Defense needs to stop Now.letting off steam is one thing swinging at teammates is an other. no need for that with our Jets,and they better have this energy when they play N.E, MIA, Buff. no excuses this year. lets take the Division. its our time.and get this guy inked to a future with the J*E*T*S I am referring to Leon Washington, he needs to be compensated. GOJETS"
KGP11 Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:44pm ET"Yeah, Randy, you called it ... I was watching the "rumbles" through field-glasses and during the third fracas I saw more than a few players with big grins on their faces while involved. I love the way every player there is taking their job seriously ... it really looks like a team on a mission."
Will Katz Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:55pm ET"Alright, anyone who honestly feel that we are going to win the Super Bowl this season with not only a new head coach and new defensive system, but also a rookie QB is a wishful thinker at best. Yes, matt ryan, joe flacco, blah blah, mark sanchez isn't going to have a flacco season. despite having the proper attitude and great personnel, it'll take time to learn the system. super bowl=2010-2012ish"
mike Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 2:03pm ET"great energy in camp to be sure but we have issues with our passing offense and I don't see a quick remedy. I think we are lacking a playmaker under center and a breakaway wr. Hate to be the naysayer but we need help here. Kudos to Cortland for the excellent facilities."
CCY Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 2:29pm ET"Not sure I understand the enthusiasm over fights. You certainly want intensity, but if jumping off sides draws penalty laps, taking a swing after the whistle should draw double IMO. Any refs during these drills, Randy?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Yes, the practices are officiated. But there were no flags thrown during any of the exchanges that I saw."
jet80 Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 2:45pm ET"Wow,this just might be a new mean and nasty team after all,love what Rex is doin.But what is he doin at TE?still cant figure out what plan they have to have the position solid when your goin to be a run based team.Randy with Owens on the side who else is looking good?Simmons?if the Bucs release Pociask which they will due to much depth we should get him back.we need someone to step up stat"
Randy Lange Said:
"jet80, Kareem Brown and Jack Simmons have caught a few passes the last couple of days, J'Nathan Bulluck the day before. I saw Simmons with a nice seal block on a run today. We haven't heard how long Owens will be sidelined."
Anthony Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 3:44pm ET"This is what I am talking about finally I get to see the Jets show some emotion. This is pride at its best which side wants it more now lets hope this goes into the season like this. How much I would love to see the Jets throwing around the Patriots like they should have for years. And played smash mouth football letting those New England Chumps know we won't be pushed around."
Larry Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 4:36pm ET"Randy. Any news you can let go about the status of talks with Leon? The time is approaching fast. Alot of positive things happening, but there are still some issues to be addressed,I hate to see LW be one of them."
Randy Lange Said:
"Larry, I am not privy to those talks so I've got nothing to report."
OriginalJetFan Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 4:49pm ET"Randy, finally made the trip to Cortland, actually the 3rd fight from where I stood was all in fun, Carrol seemed to be goofing around and the other guys went along. jericho C is a #1 receiver, with grabs today he showed it. Shonn Green is going to be tough at the goal line and keller will be a major force. Saw some good grabs and separation in drills from Stuckey and Clowney as well. "
Tope4461 Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 4:57pm ET"dustin keller looked very good today.... and about the fights, for one these guys are trying out for jobs and they have to do whatever they can to get them. things get tense but as you saw if you were there everyone was helping everyone up at the end and at the end they all came together and played some good football"
the real t.o. Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 5:26pm ET"i couldnt agree more with anthony. this is passion fire and intensity coupled with a true love for the game. i love reading this stuff. keep it coming guys! i cant wait to see this fire with the patsys and the fish. yea they shouldnt really throw down per se, but its the intensity we need to overcome the hex on this franchise! we need anger or better said organized chaos!!! go jets. "
Kara Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 6:25pm ET"How has James Ihedigbo looked so far in camp? Where do you see him fitting in on the roster?"
Randy Lange Said:
"James Ihedigbo has looked good so far, Kara. He's gotten some work with the first dime defense and he hits hard. He's fighting for a roster spot behind the first three safeties, Kerry Rhodes, Jim Leonhard and Eric Smith."
TOM IN NJ Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:06pm ET"HATE TO BE LIKE THIS. I VE BEEN IN 70 - NOW THE FRANCHISE NEVER HAD A G.M. CHARLEY WINNER, LOU HOLZ,? MEENS NOTHING NOW. BUT THIS FRANCHISE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME. HIRE ANYONE . GAMES ARE SOLD OUT. JOE WALTON? rich kotite? keep spending . sorry jets fans"
MrJetGreen Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 9:53pm ET"Randy, is there any truth to the rumors that Rex will be putting the punishment lap back into practice? Unnamed sources have indicated that any player who loses a brawl with another player will have to "run a lap"."
Shep Said:
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 8:16am ET"This is the way the game used to be played. Blood on the uniforms, battles in the trenches Nobody gives an inch, nobody pushes us around, and right now we don't have another team to battle with, so we battle with each other. They are gladiators, they are warriors, they are world class athletes with one common goal...give no quarter and win every game. THIS IS SPARTA!!"
KW Said:
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 11:25am ET"Just left practice, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Mark Sanchez will be the starting QB this year. It takes alot to admit that being a Penn State fan. The guy is so accurate and has a rocket for an arm."
Old Rogue Said:
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 11:26am ET"Shep Said: 'THIS IS SPARTA!!' -- Nope, Sparta is north of I-80, near Lake Mowhawk. ;)"
Vincent Said:
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 4:02pm ET"Love reading about Jets high energy and high emotion, but the sweet-spot is reading about the rest of the team stepping up and stepping in. Team work, team work, team work....love it!"
Ray Said:
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 4:29am ET"TOM IN NJ what exactly is your point? Been in 70 what? You say they've never had a GM and then proceed to name four ex head coaches.... Are you saying you don't like Rex?? I really don't understand your post at all.....try posting when your sober next time."
Greg Said:
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 1:28pm ET"What exactly happened on the Shonn Greene run to cause the scuffle? Did Shonn murder someone, or did he get welcomed to the NF of L?"
Randy Lange Said:
"The way I saw it, Greg, Shonn didn't cause the scuffle but it was a play on which he ran the ball. There were many issues that day."
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Vincent Coster Said:
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:24pm ET"this is all just adding to what I feel in me waters is that this is the year the Jets go all the way. i don't like that they fought each other, but what I do like is that they are showing the kind of spirit that champions show"
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